Timothy McVeigh: The Oklahoma City Bomber

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Some extremists and white supremacists are using the Internet to discuss the June 11 execution of Timothy McVeigh. ADL's Internet Monitoring Unit, which works to expose and counteract online hate, has culled the following examples of chats from Internet e-mail lists and bulletin boards.

From Liz Michael, Activist in the "Patriot" Movement

So McVeigh was wrong. Not because he was a killer. Because killing is often necessary and sometimes good, even godly. McVeigh was wrong because he was a bad soldier. His target was wrong. His timing was wrong. And there was no clear moral grounding in his plan. His plan violated the libertarian concept of not initiating force. And it violated the Judeo-Christian concepts on murder pretty clearly, even assuming its executor was at war with the Federal Government.

Which is why many of us believe that this is not the real reason Oklahoma City happened, but that it may have been a device by agents of the government to provoke us into acting with haste, or perhaps even a strawman set up to pursue the patriot movement: a "burning of the Reichstag", if you will. It's not something we would do. But as we have learned throughout history, it is exactly what a tyrannical government without any moral code or grounding WOULD do. And the United States government has never had a problem killing innocents for its purpose. Just ask Vicki Weaver. Oh...that's right. You can't. (May 29, 2001)

From An Associate of Tom Metzger’s White Supremacist White Aryan Resistance (WAR)

Somebody please get word to our soldier and present ZOG's Prisoner Of War, Timothy McVeigh to STAY ALIVE.

The small crack Timothy caused in the huge dam of ZOG's is not only growing but is also causing many hairline cracks. These too are rapidly growing, expanding and multiplying. A great contributing factor in this rapid increase are the burgeoning "minorities" growing into a burdening Third World majority of vicious ENEMIES. Their increasing attacks on our White Races at large is causing earth-shaking tremors, which further feed the dam's eventual collapse.

Timothy; hang in there, pal. We may not be able to set you free at this time, but enjoy the rumbles and the tumbles of your initiative as the dam keeps cracking wider.

Timothy McVeigh proved it true…. We Are At WAR. Our Euro-ethnic White Country here and our European Brothers in the Countries of our ancestral Roots are under all-out attack unto death. Our own Jew-bought overindulging fat-gut Governments are against us…White Man; like it or not, YOU are under attack. Now let’s stand together. (May 27, 2001)

From an Extremist E-Mail List

[McVeigh] shouldn't be executed at least until we have the full story behind this. And once we have the full story, we may find that he's a hero who shouldn't be executed. He shouldn't be executed until the person who drove him to this, Janet Reno, is executed first. This double standard is completely unacceptable, whether it's because he's a man and she's a woman, or he's a "civilian" and she's a soldier with our paramilitary justice system, or he's a Christian and she's a jew [sic], or he's not credible with a jury and she is credible with Congress, or whatever reason. It's notable that Reno hasn't blown up any churches or shot any pregnant mothers between the eyes lately, and we just may have McVeigh to thank for that. This could mean that his execution would do nothing but make him a world-class martyr.

…And as far as Christianity goes, we would have to look way beyond the scope of stupid American jurors and judges and lawyers and legislators to realize that, IF it could be proven that McVeigh did this strictly to put the fear of God into arrogant public servants like the ones who made crispy critters out of children in Waco to prevent them from a repeat performance, then he is strictly in accord with the Holy Scriptures--and headed for sainthood. (May 17, 2001)

From August Kreis of the white supremacist Posse Comitatus

Timothy McVeigh Day - The day that this soldier is called home will henceforth be remembered... A special day set aside for letting ZOG know that Timothy and his efforts will not be forgotten. Warmest greetings should be sent across this land to the yehudi [sic] and all those who conspire with them furthering their globalist, multicultural New World Order agenda. These traitorous vermin want nothing less than the total destruction of our once great Christian Nation, and the death of the White Race. We should continue to make it known across this land loud and clear that we WILL take back that which is OURS, that which our Father gave us, His children! Our vow is thus, this land one day will be free of all parasitic jewry [sic] and their mud occupying forces! We shall bring in His Kingdom on earth as it is in heaven regardless of Satan's attack against us. Our efforts will continue because there will always be another Christian Soldier to step into place as one is taken out by the forces of darkness. All Praise to Our Father, march on brethren, never forgetting He is with us. The blood of our fallen martyrs shall be avenged! (May 14, 2001)

From J.J. Johnson, Leader in the "Patriot" Movement, Editor and Chief of the on-line Newsletter, "The Sierra Times"

…the Domestic Enemy had declared themselves Immune from laws or responsibilities, and where [sic] openly desecrating the Constitution. Timothy had taken the same Oath to protect the Constitution, as had these Traitors. But there was one big difference, McVeigh took his Oath seriously. At least McVeigh will have died living up to his Oath. He recognized it was the Government’s own Agents who were the Domestic Enemy, and that they were far more Dangerous to the Constitution, than any Foreign Enemy we have…

Maybe McVeigh didn’t see those children in the Federal Building, all he seen [sic] was a Vicious Beast that had killed the children at Waco, they also died on April 19. The next Beast we get we keep it on a short leash and never let it off, and at any time it growls at its masters, it’s gone. Question: which one would you feel safer talking to, Timothy McVeigh, or a BATF Agent? Now we leave it to History to Judge Timothy McVeigh. (May 14, 2001)

From Tom Metzger, Leader of  the White Supremacist White Aryan Resistance (WAR):

In the Oklahoma City Bombing the Iron heel grasp the unique opportunity to use the dead children to build a massive propaganda campaign against Mc veigh but more importantly to cause congress and the senate to appropriate...massive tax shakedowns from the taxpayers to fight terrorism...Does this help us as a militant struggle? Yes because the Iron Heel plays a dangerous game of balance. They did not expect the Oklahoma bombing. They think they can set up and control mickey mouse killings and bombings and then use the media hype to promote larger terrorist budgets. They felt that if it came it would be from foreign shores. WRONG!!! They thought that every time they hammered people like us we might kick them in the ankles but surprise surprise McVeigh kicked them in the head. So called terrorism is the easiest thing to do that there is. Its much harder to pick out something small with little collateral damage than it is to go for broke and kick the system in the balls. They are vulnerable and have everything to lose. We are not since we are on the bottom fighting our way up. The aggressor has great advantage. (May 13, 2001)

From William Pierce, Leader of the Neo-Nazi National Alliance:

No one can argue seriously that he bombed the Federal building in Oklahoma City because he wanted to kill or terrorize civilians. Neither terrorism nor killing civilians was his goal. He bombed the Federal building to punish the Federal government for its murderous behavior in burning the Branch Davidian church in Waco, Texas, two years earlier. He wanted to send the government a message that its behavior would not be tolerated. And part of that message would be the killing of the government's secret police agents -- FBI and ATF agents -- who worked in the building. The fact that his bomb would kill not only secret police agents but also civilians, including the 19 children in the day-care center, was regrettable but unavoidable: collateral damage. Timothy was at war against the government, and in a war civilians are killed even when they are not deliberate targets, as they were in America's war against Germany. But of course, none of America's controlled media accept that view of the matter. Timothy is 'evil'; Timothy is a 'monster.' The American pilots who strafed German refugee columns were just soldiers doing their job....we should understand that however tactically wrong the bombing of the Federal building in Oklahoma City may have been, and however regrettable the killing of innocent civilians in that bombing, Timothy McVeigh is no monster. He is a soldier, and what he did was based on principle. He justified his actions on the same basis that soldiers always do: he was at war against a government that is at war against his people. (May 12, 2001)

From John Trochmann, Militia of Montana:

Thirty two hundred documents just discovered? Suppose 'we told you so' would be a little harsh. We here at M.O.M. have insisted that when McVeigh is executed, the federal government will have prematurely destroyed even more evidence, same as when they had the balance of the Murah [sic] building brought down. Does the evidence lead right to their door? To solve a crime, one would have to look at who stands to gain from it. Would we, the patriot/militia movement gain support from the public by destroying public property and maiming or killing our fellow Americans? Certainly not, but some one who wished to pass more laws to take away even more of our rights certainly would. (May 11, 2001)

From Matt Hale, Leader of  the White Supremacist World Church of the Creator:

The revelation that the FBI failed to turn over thousands of documents to Timothy McVeigh's defense team casts the entire proceedings in doubt, not only in regards to whether he is actually guilty of the offenses charged beyond a reasonable doubt but also as to the very legitimacy of any Federal prosecutions against the politically unpopular....this revelation will further erode trust in the Federal government by regular citizens and heighten the hatred for it by right-wing extremists. We who believe that the Federal government has usurped the Constitution of the United States cannot help but wonder if the FBI deliberately denied McVeigh's defense the documents and further, whether the FBI would have been forthcoming with the documents had McVeigh not himself wanted to die. (May 11, 2001)

From  the Neo-Nazi National Socialist Movement (NSM):

I happened to glance at my WebTV and noticed that a possible stay of execution could occur for Timothy McVeigh because some courtroom documents were not given to his defense attorney's. I am hoping that the federal government won't blame him for the bombing and come to the conclusion that lots of people were involved. The United States will hopefully take a deeper look into what happened in Oklahoma City and stop blaming Tim. The Army and the military taught soldiers to take action against communists and traitors to America's Constitution. The liberal arts majors from college and universities running this country in Washington DC really need to understand that the Germanic Anglo-Saxon race built America and that a bunch of intellectuals sitting in office buildings apparently don't really understand that Germany's people have rights also. I sympathize with the innocent children who were victims in the Murrah building. However, I blame the liberal arts and political science majors from college and universities throughout America and accuse them of building the nation that tried to govern Germany and the Anglo-Saxon race. Didn't work having a weaker race of Babylonians governing a stronger race from Germany. For me it has been 45 years of hell. (May 11, 2001)

From the Neo-Nazi National Socialist Movement (NSM):

In a few days Timothy McVeigh is going to be executed and ironically 14/88 and the militia movement have remained silent as lambs. They should help him get a pardon from George W. Bush. Look what has happened to Anglo-Saxons of North America in the last 10 years we are becoming an inbred race with mixtures of Spanish and ancestries from South America slowly integrating into our gene pool in North America. This multiculturalism that is slowly occurring could be reversed if government would monitor the immigrants coming to North America. North America could and should remain separated from South America. That would be a good goal to work toward. Let the Spanish and the blacks work the genetics problems out in South America. North America belongs to the English and Germans and South America to the Spanish, and all the blacks belong in Africa. (May 10, 2001)

From an Extremist E-Mail List:

You should be condemning the government murderers in Waco ten times as harshly as you condemn Timothy McVeigh. Had you and people like you done that in the first place, the OK City bombing would never have occurred. From that perspective, your failure to condemn it, and your failure now to condemn it, makes you just as guilty as McVeigh. That is, IF McVeigh did this alone, which the preponderance of evidence proves that he didn't….If McVeigh deserves to be executed, Reno deserves to be blasted apart by a nuclear bomb. If heinous, evil public servants are permitted to get away with such acts in such a public way, there will be thousands of more McVeigh's the instant he's executed. The day Reno is brought to justice is the day this country can *finally* get on the road to recovery. (April 17, 2001)

From an Extremist E-Mail List:

Tim McVeigh is scheduled to die soon. I would like for all White Nationalists to pray that Yahweh take his soul from ZOG before then. As white warriors we deserve the same accord as given in the Geneva Convention! Something that the Kikes wrote and never honored! (April 14, 2001)

From an Extremist E-Mail List:

The system is pretty sore with Tim. You see, they are having a hard time dealing with the fact that on May16'th, another Volk's Hero is born! Try as they might to prevent it, his place in tommorow's [sic] post-revolution history books is assured. The last two months have stood witness to plaintive zogite moaning, to the effect of "we wuz robbed". They wanted Tim to beg the crud cabal for a mercy that no intelligent Aryan would expect from a system currently carrying out the most arrogant, open campaign of genocide, that the world has ever seen. Mr. McVeigh is from the old school, where in war, no quarter is asked for or given….I am currently looking at the photo of the OKC "National Memorial", that graces the back of the dust jacket of "American Terrorist…" There are 168 "chairs" set up for those who died in one of the first shots of the Second American Revolution, are there "chairs" set up for the children of Waco? Is there a "chair" out on the mountain in Ruby Ridge, Idaho, where Vickie Weaver was executed by sharpshooting gook, Lon (W)Horiuchi? (April 12, 2001)

From 88 Enterprises, a Neo-Nazi Mail-Order Business that Sells Racist and Anti-Semitic Materials:

Timothy McVeigh will soon become a martyr for future generations to immolate [sic]. Someday there will be monuments built to this man! He is a true role model for the cause and the Folk. In this age of George Burdi sellouts, it's truly refreshing to have a patriot that refuses to give in to ZOG pressure. Recently the Jews media have wailed that McVeigh has shown no remorse for 'the children'. How much remorse has the system shown for the children of Waco, Dresden, Serbia and Palestine? McVeigh took down a hated symbol of anti white oppression. Let him be a shinning [sic] example for freedom fighters everywhere! (April 2, 2001)

From Tom Metzger, Leader of  the White Supremacist White Aryan Resistance (WAR):

The other bright spot is Timothy Mcveigh [sic]. His star has not yet begun to shine. Once our struggle has completely broken free of the negative influence of the Trojan horse right wing men like [Bob Mathews from The Order] and Mcveigh will be the examples to be respected and revered. (April 3, 2001)
As you all know by now, Timothy Mcveigh has asked for his death sentence to be carried out as soon as possible. According to the Federal Prison authorities it may be in May. Whenever it comes it will mark another escalation in the ever evolving resistance struggle. The media is plying [sic] it's [sic] lapdog part well. They oversimplify the entire event as just some desire to murder 168 people. Much of the dumbed down public go along with that, but a growing number also realize it was a political target in which those inside the building were not the issue at all. It was a glaring symbol of a Central Government that many people from all walks of life and for many reasons hate, pure and simple. Governments murder lots of people all the time. They don't take a vote as to your wishes anymore than Mcveigh did. The difference is that they have a license to kill and Mcveigh and you don’t. Timothy Mcveigh is more honorable than all the politicians and Presidents put together. He has chosen death on his terms as is a tradition among our ancient ancestors. The enemy’s victory will be a hollow one indeed. (January 14, 2001)
Tim Mcveigh has chosen a Warriors end not leaving it to his tormentors to poke sticks into his cage for decades. (December 31, 2000)

From William Pierce, Leader of the Neo-Nazi National Alliance:

That, unfortunately, is the state of public and private morale in America today. That's why our civilization is going down the tubes. That's why Timothy McVeigh blew up the Federal building in Oklahoma City. It was the only way he knew to get people to look up from their ball games for a minute and pay attention to what's happening to their world. So, why do I bother? I bother because between the ball-game fans at one end and the corrupt politicians and corrupt Christian preachers and corrupt newspaper editors at the other end there is an intelligent and responsible two percent or so of the population -- a moral two percent-- capable of understanding and caring about what the Jews are doing to our world and to our people…. There are Americans who care about these things as much as I do. And by God, we intend to do something about these things, even if we have to do it Timothy McVeigh's way. I hope it doesn't come to that, but we will break the grip of these Jews and their collaborators on our society. (July 1, 2000)

From Alex Curtis, Former Editor of Online White Supremacist  E-Mail "Zine," The Nationalist Observer:

[Timothy McVeigh] has never really given the specific reason he hates ZOG so much. I submit that it is not that the Army screwed him or that he is libertarian and doesn’t like big government. Or even WACO. I submit that it must be something that tears at him in the same feroicty [sic] it does in us- and that can oinly [sic] be the systematic extermination of young White people. That is the only outrage that could make him want to kill and destroy as he has. It is a perfectly understandable reaction to the rule of the Jewish Occupation Government. I believe the Oklahoma Building blew up on April 19th not because of WACO, or at least not only for that reason, but because ZOG executed our great Aryan soldier William Snell on that day. I think ZOG is stifling McVeigh from proclaiming that the bombing was to protest the U.S. genocide of White people. (June 2000)

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