Revolution and Reality: A Transcript and Analysis of Mark Koernke's "Time
is Running Out."
Last Updated, March 1, 1998
the militia movement and the so-called "patriot" movement are often in the news
(usually when various members are arrested for criminal acts), most Americans still
understand little about why members believe the things they believe or do the things they
do. They might hear, for instance, that four members of the John Doe Militia were arrested
for building pipe bombs to use against authorities in the event of some sort of threatened
"gun confiscation," but they have had little opportunity to understand why the
members were motivated to take those sorts of actions or who planted the germs of the
scheme in their heads.
Where do these notions of a "New World Order," gun confiscation, United
Nations troops and black helicopters come from? Unbeknownst to most Americans, the
"patriot" movement has created an entirely separate, parallel system of
information distribution. Where most Americans might get their news from Tom Brokaw, Newsweek,
NPR, Ted Koppel, the Los Angeles Times and the Wall Street Journal, to
name a few examples, these are not typical news sources for members of the
"patriot" movement. An average "patriot" would instead depend on
sources like the various shortwave radio programs broadcast by Worldwide Christian Radio
(WWCR), similar programs on the little-known satellite radio, magazines like Media
Bypass, newsletters like the "Patriot Report", newspapers like The
Spotlight, books and pamphlets produced by vanity and private presses unsold in any
bookstore, video- and audiotapes prepared by a variety of right-wing leaders, and all
sorts of World Wide Web sites. Taken together, these and other sources provide an
alternative source of news which is radically and drastically different from the
mainstream news media. As a result, New York Times stories are dismissed, while
rumors of United Nations troops printed in an eight-page xeroxed newsletter are taken as
Among the patriot propagandists, few are more notorious than Mark Koernke, known to his
fans as "Mark from Michigan." A maintenance worker for the University of
Michigan most of the time, Koernke's alter ego is that of militia leader and patriot
rabble rouser. His primary vehicle for getting his message across is a daily shortwave
radio program called "The Intelligence Report," conducted jointly with John
Stadtmiller. But Koernke also travels around the country, most notably to
"Preparedness Expos," which are a sort of travelling trade fair for extremists
and survivalists, giving speaking engagements to crowds that can range into the hundreds.
Many of these speaking engagements are videotaped (the most notorious such videotape is a
recording of one of his early speeches, the 1993 America in Peril) and the
videotapes widely copied and distributed. These efforts have made Koernke one of the most
visible figures in the "patriot" movement, even though, because he rarely ever
grants interviews with the mainstream media, he is largely unknown to the rest of the
population. Koernke's fifteen minutes of fame came in 1995 in the wake of the Oklahoma
City bombing of the Murrah Federal Building. Early reports that Timothy McVeigh was a
member of a Michigan Militia (including at least one eyewitness report placing him with
Koernke), coupled with a fax that Koernke sent to then-Congressmen Steve Stockman hours
after the blast, seemed to link Koernke with the bombing and for a brief time the media
hounded Koernke, trying to find out more about him. He even became the subject of a
feature article in Time Magazine. The adverse publicity caused WWCR to (temporarily) drop
his radio show. However, Koernke bounced back to regain his status as a leader of the
Koernke is popular for a number of reasons. He combines an effective speaking style
(his delivery has improved noticeably since 1993) with a well-honed sense of sarcasm.
Moreover, he effectively communicates to his audience the notion that he is privy to all
sorts of secret and valuable information. Koernke is well-served in that regard by a
powerful ability to recall information that he's read in the past. Koernke's speeches are
often interrupted by applause and he occasionally even receives a standing ovation upon
Several strategies on Koernke's part are immediately apparent to anyone who has seen a
number of his videos and public appearances. These rhetorical devices include:
--Attempts to assure his audiences that they are not part of a small fringe but rather
members of a vast and powerful movement. This is Koernke's attempt to deal with the
timidity and apathy that isolation often produces in members of the patriot movement.
Sensing that few of their family members, colleagues or neighbors agree with their extreme
views, they become unwilling to actually take action. Some speakers try to deal with this
problem by pointing out that even small numbers can accomplish great ends--they frequently
assert (incorrectly) that only 3% of the population supported the rebels during the
American Revolution. Koernke more commonly attempts to create the illusion that audience
members are part of a very large network of dedicated--and active--"patriots."
More than a number of other speakers, Koernke is concerned about actually mobilizing his
audiences to take action.
--Attempts to "chart" the workings of the New World Order. An extremely
common rhetorical device used by Koernke is to try to depict the "enemy" as
consciously working under a well-known, detailed, long-term plan to take over the world,
and particularly the United States. He constantly talks about their timetable for
conquest, frequently asserting that the end is very, very near. One problem this tactic
raises is the same one faced by religious fanatics who discover that the world did not end
when they predicted it would. Koernke frequently has to deal with the fact that gun
confiscation, street gangs as police forces, foreign invasions and various other overt
acts that he alleges are imminent never actually occur. Typically he does this by
suggesting that it has been the struggles of the "patriot" movement that have
kept these forces at bay, that have "upset their plans." He cannot point to any
actual acts by the movement which have stopped any particular plans, but he gets by with
the use of vague allusions.
--Attempts to convince his audience that he is extremely knowledgeable on a wide range
of military, political and intelligence issues. Koernke downplays his lowly status as a
maintenance worker and makes references to his "military intelligence
background" (in reality, his status in the military was as lowly as his status in
civilian life). He uses his powerful memory to talk about a wide variety of subjects,
making statements as to why they "really" occurred, and how they relate to the
plans of the New World Order.
What follows this introduction is an annotated transcript of a videotape produced and
distributed by Mark Koernke. Like all of their videotapes, it contains no copyright and
may be freely distributed. This particular video, labeled "Time is Running Out,"
was produced in mid-April 1994, making it one of his earlier videos. It is also unusual in
that it is not a videotaped speaking engagement, but rather a "private"
gathering of Koernke with some of his followers. Koernke made several such videotapes. In
them, Koernke usually gives long, rambling addresses to a small (anonymously off-screen or
silhouetted in black) group of associates. Koernke, who has the ability to talk almost
non-stop continuously for hours, enchants his audiences by dancing back and forth on a
wide variety of subjects. In this particular video, Koernke tends to mix "militia
neep" (explained below) with discussions of various current events.
Because it is considerably more informal than a public speaking engagement, it is
possible to get a clearer picture of the worldview of Koernke and his followers, as they
discuss a variety of topics (although Koernke always has center stage). This is, in
actuality, a videotaped "militia meeting," although one held for public
To the transcriber, this video presented a particular challenge. To begin with, Koernke
talks extremely rapidly, as he himself admits in this video, making transcription an
extremely difficult task. The quality of the production is poor, and participants other
than Koernke are difficult to understand, particularly when more than one person talks at
once. Lastly, the quality of the particular copy of the videotape used for transcription
is also poor; it is clearly at least a fourth or fifth generation copy. As a result of all
these factors, the accuracy of the transcription cannot be guaranteed, even though every
effort was made to provide as clean and as accurate a transcription as possible.
|Time is Running Out,
video made April 1994, length approximately 86 minutes. Speaker: Mark Koernke.
Setting: Camera tightly
focused on Koernkes head: he is sitting in front of a shelf of videotapes,
presumably in a living room, den or garage somewhere. Koernke is dressed all in black and
holds a microphone up to his head. This is not a public speaking engagement, but
rather a small gathering of some of his close associates. The voices other than
Mark's in the videotape indicate both males and females present.
two weeks since last we were all
together. First of all, we went through the Dakotas, South Dakota. Excellent flight out,
not that you need to know about flights, but to give you an idea, it was actually pretty
decent flying. We linked up with a series of patriots who organized an impromptu meeting
over the last couple of weeks. In the short period of time they had they announced the gun
shows, the gun shops, a variety of other patriot mechanisms, brought a lot of people
together at the Holiday Inn. We started at about 7:30 in the evening and didnt stop
And we had three media people there and I just got information about
the second program and it was very good. We got a front page, two column article and it's,
the parallel article that ran with it was on the Waco tape. And this was a Grand Rapids,
er, not Grand Rapids, Rapid City newspaper, one of the two big ones they have there. This
gentleman stayed for the whole show, unlike a lot of other media people, he was attentive,
he took notes. It was really funny because he started getting into things. In the middle
we were talking about how you parade the American flag and burn the rag we were told
about, the three red stripes and the three stars. He was the only one who clapped. Arrrh,
he got really excited. So not all the medias against us, in fact, a lot of them get
really motivated, wrapped up in this, they start to get into it. We had one tv crew there,
but the guy didnt stay very long, so I guess he didnt get the kind of response
he expected or wanted. We probably got a little blurb on the news, but maybe then again we
didnt because I talked the way I usually do and I try to put everything in one
sentence and he couldnt cut it out very easily and Im sure he couldnt
chop it, so he probably threw it away, because we stressed that it was a constitutional
issue. "Its a constitutional issue, dummy, dont you understand,
listen to what I said, its the third question like this, whats wrong with you,
arent you thinking, dont you understand?" We werent quite that
abusive, but it was a lot of fun, because the guy put the camera down, looked at me, goes,
you know, whats that guy who did JFK?
Unidentified Person: Stone.
Koernke: Stone. He goes, "You know, youre a lot like interviewing
Oliver Stone." He goes, "One more question, then I gotta go." That was
about it, so that was a good compliment. In other words, he couldnt get anything out
of it that he wanted, so he had to end the conversation.
Umm, the overall meeting was a good review of whats happening in their state.
Youve seen the markers, youve seen the signs, the black shirts are there.
Again, it varies. Federal forces are altering their postures because, for instance, we
know the Minuteman system is being shut down. Those would be an awful lot of nice grain
silos out there if they would transfer them to the civilian population, and theyre
destroying them, shattering these cities' sites now, instead of giving them to the people
or selling them to the people on a regular basis, which is creating a lot of harm out
there. The Bureau of Land Management is not loved by anybody. The militia is expanding
rapidly, uh, a lot of people are saying that, well, a year ago there were some people
organized but in the last year it has geometrically expanded , progressively, month after
month after month. And now they dont have any problem talking to people, telling
people whats going on, and people are listening. Theres a reason for that. All
you need to do is watch that television for about another two hours and youll find
out very quickly that we were absolutely right, so there should be no doubt in
|One of Mark Koernke's primary goals in his videotapes and
speaking presentations is to try to reassure his audience that there are a large number of
"patriots" across the country, that the members of the audience are by no means
alone, but rather part of a vast movement, even if they themselves feel isolated or alone.
Thus reassured, the viewer or audience member will then theoretically be less timid and
more willing to take action.
Koernke accomplishes this in several ways. One
frequent tactic--used in this videotape--is to tell about meetings and groups in other
areas of the country. Indeed, to the extent that this rambling videotape has a form or
structure, it is loosely based around Koernke's recent visits to South Dakota and to
Texas. Anecdotes about these events serve as the springboard for his lengthy commentary on
A second tactic, not really used in this video, but often used at his speaking
engagements, is direct exhortation, in which he explicitly tells the audience that they
are part of a vast movement. However, he does make several allusions to the
"numbers" that they have, which we will see later.
|Theyre definitely going to push for the firearms grab, theres
enough information from across the country thats first hand, not third
hand--somebody said that somebody heard that somebody thought they heard--but first hand
data where they're training extensively in house to house, theyre training
extensively in forced entry and no knock search warrants and were seeing this in
every corner of the country. The only reason people arent finding this is if
theyre not making the effort to, basically they dont want to hear this.
Im going to stress this again with everybody; if you have a person whos
listening, if you have a person whos attentive, treat that person like a gem;
they're an equal and very quickly they might become like a star thats poom!
goes off on their own like anywhere and you dont know where theyre going to
go. On the other hand, if you have a person whos debating just for the sake of
debate, your time is precious and you cannot replace it. Ignore the problem and go on to
somebody else. Okay, Im serious. Now youll find sometimes theyll even
follow you down a hallway and through a store or whatever, you dont need that,
youve got other things to do. Those people will wake up in the morning with their
bodies in the street and theyll finally figure out that maybe something's wrong. You
can't liberate other people, you cant free other people. If they're going to get out
of this rut, if they're going to educate themselves, thats one thing.
But you only have so much time that you can spend. Now you know who your friends and
enemies are, like I said before, trust this, the back of your neck, this thing raises up,
the hackles raise up, theres a reason. The subconscious has already registered
whats going on, it's just the conscious mind hasnt kicked in yet. So use that.
And with regards to dealing with National Guard, reservists, active Army, if youre
afraid to talk to military people, identify, put the packet together that you think are
going to be best suited for that person, and drop them off anonymously. If you're really
afraid to talk to law enforcement do the same thing, make up a packet, go there at nine at
night, zip by the mail box and have the kids do it or walk up to the mailbox and shove it
in and walk away . What we like to do is leave it on the windshield, under the windshield
find a VCR tape and it makes everybody wonder, if its something this
Person: I did that this morning and the car alarm went off.
.barring the car alarms going off, well, it's not really a nice
car, it probably doesnt have a car alarm, but if it is a nice car, you might want to
think about that. Watch for stickers first, remember, says this car protected
Well, weve had good success with all the anonymous systems we used,
and we had a lot of fun with it, too, uh, the other thing you might do, and theres
some people here that are with reserve, guard, or even some active sometimes, theyre
off duty that come in. If you can identify on the window that they have a regular training
date, what I recommend you do if you want to inundate a whole unit all at once is, if you
can identify a guard unit, you know what their training weekend is; prepare a series of
tapes, maybe 10, 50 or 20 copies, mix em up, not just one tape, but several different
tapes. Get a bunch of literature prepared, get five or six people together, scurry through
the lot as you see somebody standing there and give it to them, put some of the stuff on
the cars, walk in to the building if youre bold enough to. Walk right up to some
people and say "here."
Or, my favorite is to go into the bathroom, you know, the library, and leave things
wherever they can be found easily and also leave a tape or two where it can be found
laying around. We do that at the bank sometimes. I have the most fun with doing literature
at the banks; what you do is you walk into the bank and almost always they have the drop
box out by the vestibule. You're sitting there, what you do is you look around, you write
out a piece of paper, you leave a whole bunch of the stuff laying there, then you get in
line, which is what you really planned on doing. If you keep looking back, eventually
you'll find that the next person walks up to the box, and goes, he looks at it for a
minute, then he'll look around, then he'll read it some more, then he'll look around one
more time, then he'll go <grabbing gesture> into the shirt or into the papers
or into the purse, but whatll happen is their curiosity is piqued and theyll
carry it away. Somebody will carry it away. And it's fun to watch anyway because people
are always worried, "I wonder if the owner is still there, I dont want to leave
it and I dont really want to steal it," but it's not really stealing because he
didnt worry about leaving it behind, did he? So away they go. Thats the type
of anonymous bond, youll never know where it went, youll never know how it
goes, perhaps, you might see them at a meeting like this, or down the road, you might see
them at the next ambush, on the other side of the road, firing on the same vehicle you are
, which is great, "Hey didnt I see you at K-mart?" "Oh yeah, that's
where I got the shotgun." So it works that way and it's really good. The patriots out
there are plain old folk, a lot of good guys, husbands and wives, working together, a lot
of kids, we have good range of age groups from very old to very young and everything in
between. That's important because you want to try to make sure you interlock the
generations, get everybody together, so everybody knows what's happening.
|One of the major scare tactics used by proselytizers for
the militia movement is the notion of "gun confiscation," the notion that the
federal government will embark upon a series of confiscations of the guns of "law
abiding Americans." This issue is the single most effective way the militia movement
was able to make inroads into more mainstream America, by appealing to the fears of gun
owners that they will no longer be able to own guns.
Here Koernke uses
fear-mongering at its most graphic: the notion that police are being
"extensively" trained in forced entry in order to go door to door, confiscating
guns. The backdrop to this statement is the impending passage of the 1994 crime bill
(which included the Brady bill imposing a waiting period for the purchase of hanguns) and
the assault weapons manufacture ban, also passed in 1994.
Needless to say, none of these house to house seizures ever occurred, and the
"first hand data" to which Koernke alludes did not even exist.
The other major issue Koernke raises here is militia recruitment, which is one of
the major subjects of this video. In 1994, when this video was made, the militia movement
was still in its infancy and its organizers, like Koernke, were very concerned with the
subject of recruitment. What is of particular note in this section are the groups which
Koernke particularly targets for recruitment: active military and National Guard
personnel, and police officers. In fact, the militia movement still tries very strongly to
recruit from these pools. Several police officers have been arrested within the last year
for criminal activities as part of militia groups. This is a major area of concern for
many law enforcement agencies.
Note that Koernke here makes a subtle point, suggesting again that members of the
militia movement are part of a vast network, and "you'll never know how it
goes," but there are all sorts of people who will show up on your side when the
|Came back, not an eventful flight at all, in fact, pretty dull, some of
the best flights we've had coming back on that one, ever, Ive flown, nice smooth
landing. Just the last one, not the first one. The last part of the flight
.the stewardess did the final flight into Detroit. For a while there we
thought it was pages from Hunter, we were going right over the spot where the plane went
the other way on the road, we were coming down towards that, we didnt quite know
where we were going for a bit, the pilot was having a heckuva time trying to find where
the runway was
obviously, we got here.
||The tape was not particularly clear at this point, so it
was difficult to understand this portion. The reference to "Hunter," if this is
what Koernke actually said, might be a reference to the novel of the same name by William
Pierce, author of "The Turner Diaries." However, the nature of the reference is
|The next step was these last couple of days we were down for the
anniversary of Waco in Odessa. Odessas on the far western side, out where the desert
is, in Texas. Its a nice area, we met some of the best patriot units we've seen as
far as small light units, thats right, these people were all serious about it, they
absorbed everything, they took everything we had to give them, they provided us with a lot
of data , they are well organized, cant emphasize that enough, they're already into
their teams, theyve already got training programs going and they're cycling people
in and out constantly.
Person: Theyre heavy into their psyops.
Koernke: Yes, yep, psychological warfare, they have an excellent psychological
warfare unit also. These people have been doing a lot of work in the area, and also moving
into different parts of the states, trying to organize other people. The meeting started
again about 6:30, 7:00; we went out again 'til about midnight. We had a good crowd, the
usual. The other meeting up in South Dakota, where the feds didnt have a great
interest in it, we had our usual potpourri, of cutthroats, who usually dont last but
three quarters of the meeting, when they realize we start talking about pushing them into
the ocean and everybody starts clapping they realize they're very much alone. In fact,
they get real nervous. Usually you start losing their face behind someone else's head or
they wont look up anymore, they can't bring their eyes up to look at anybody, they
can't clap, and then eventually they disappear. You know, they skulk out the back door or
slink to the bathroom and disappear after that. But the meeting as a whole was really
|We did a radio program before that; we also did a radio program the second
day. To give you an idea of the kind of response, after we got off the air, they had a
hundred plus calls come into the station in less than an hour. They had never seen
anything like that before. So the people are out there waiting, all we gotta do is make
sure we make contact with them so theyve got the ammunition. And once youve
got it away they go. And it's like down in Florida where we experienced that, or we did
this also in Pennsylvania. People will grab the tapes, we dont care what you do with
them, everybody knows that. You take the tapes, they use that as base ammunition, then
they build up their own database themselves, local newspaper, television.
I mean right
now I think everybodys got to admit, television is just plain arrogant right now. If
there's any doubt in anyone's mind that the New World Order does not have a goal of taking
this country, then youd better, if youre thinking theres some other
option for them, then you can probably leave right now, because theres no doubt in
my mind, and theres no way that anyone can argue against it. The dates
probably set, we dont know what that is, and we wont until the time comes, but
theyre desperate right now, in fact, if anything I will say this, they are shrill.
Thats the only term I can use, they are actually panicking to a limited extent.
Theyre doing everything they can to get as much out and theyre piling up
everything, one project on top of another. Thats not like your enemy. Normally your
enemy is very consistent and very concise. Theyre methodical, they take their time,
and what they will do is target, create an objective, create a condition, remember:
thesis, antithesis, synthesis. But normally theyll at least create the semblance of
some mock opposition. Almost everything right now is totally plastic. Its just the
illusion of going through the numbers. That tells me they finally figured out what's out
here, to a certain extent, and now they perceive that victory is not assured, they know
Person: The crime bill is an example of that.
Koernke: Thats right, its rushed. In fact, the same type of rhetoric
they used with NAFTA: "Oh, it's so close, oh, it's neck and neck,"
.they were forty votes over what was necessary. That should tell you everything
right there. In this case, the crime bill is a done thing. Ignore the garbage with the
debate. It is now a pending situation. When that happens, this whole environment changes.
No longer will we be free to meet in any home, no longer will we be free to meet in
public, the videotapes, anything we have on the videotapes, anything you have on written
material, will probably be a crime, I think you pretty well understand that. But
thats again because of the situation thats been developed here, not here with
us, but in the country itself. This is a long-term plan but they are now desperate to
accelerate it. They hoped to take a few more years, but they cant.
Person: Theyre still gonna come here.
|Again, Koernke emphasizes the great size of the movement:
"the people are out there waiting."
Koernke's reference in this section to the "New World Order" and its goal
"of taking this country" is an excellent example of his worldview, which to say
the least borders on the paranoid. Here he engages in a device he frequently uses in his
speeches and videos, in which he describes the strategies of the "enemy," which
he knows in great detail. Here a "date's probably set" for the takeover of the
However, Koernke always leaves himself an out. What if the New World Order does not
actually take over the United States in 1994? If it doesn't, then this is not evidence
that there is no New World Order conspiracy threatening America, but rather it is evidence
that the activities of the "patriot movement" somehow defeated (always only
temporarily) the New World Order. Koernke here asserts that they are now panicking, that
they "perceive that victory is not assured." These illusionary victories against
an illusionary foe are what Koernke uses, again and again and again, to create for his
audiences the illusion that they are somehow heroic participants in some great struggle
between good and evil, even if the participants themselves have a) never taken any action
and b) never actually perceived any foe themselves.
Koernke also again makes some of his dire predictions, in this case regarding the
crime bill (passed shortly thereafter). The crime bill would make it illegal for
"patriots" to meet, he argues, illegal to distribute videotapes or written
materials. Obviously, none of that ever even came close to materializing.
|Koernke: Thats right. Theyre still gonna come and get
it and thats what theyve realized. They do not have the resources to
accomplish the mission. Their psyop technology is not going to do it. Their capability as
far as their military potential is dependent heavily on America betraying itself. If we
work hard now, we can hurt them even more, because they are more blatant about what their
intentions are. If they're going to get the guns, Clintons said uncategorically, he
was going to find or create a way or fabricate a way through the Constitution to
confiscate arms and go house to house. Thats exactly what hes talking about.
One of our allies out of Louisiana, out in New Orleans, called. They're lawyers,
thatve been directly involved in several of these other Constitutional fights. They
got hold of us while we were down in Texas, which kind of surprised us, because they had
to hunt us down. What they said, they talked to the judge personally, they called up to
thank him for his ruling in favor of the Constitution and against the no knock search
Person: In Chicago?
Koernke: In Chicago. But what he had to say was this. Yes, we won this time, for
the moment, but they already told him, when they confronted him, that one way or another,
if they would not get it constitutionally, they would do it without the constitution. Now
they told the judge that and brought it out. Needless to say, that s the person
thats sitting on the bench right now. First of all, it took a lot of guts to stand
up in the first place, in light of whats actually happening, in the wave that
Person: Hes a marked man.
Koernke: Agreed. Hes a marked man, but he probably also understands that
if they win, hes a marked man anyway. Doesnt make any difference. As more and
more people realize this is a one-way street, we either win or we are defeated utterly.
Theres no compromise on this, the enemys already told you, if they win, they
get it all. We have to become very resolute, we have to decide right now if Im going
to be free or slave. Ive already made that decision years ago, I think everybody
else here has, too, now youve just got to decide what it is you're going to respond,
not react, but as far as response goes, its going to have to be methodical,
its going to have to be very specific.
|Once more, Koernke raises a shrill voice about gun
confiscation. Clinton, he alleges, has "said uncategorically, he was going
to...fabricate a way through the Constitution to confiscate arms and go house to
house." In reality, Clinton never said any such thing.
This mention of a judge in Chicago is a reference to U.S. District Judge Wayne
Andersen, who in February 1994 issued an order to the Chicago Housing Authority to halt a
highly controversial practice of searching public housing apartments for weapons and
drugs. The Housing Authority had been conducting searches without obtaining search
warrants or asking the tenants' permission to enter. Andersen said that this policy
violated the Fourth Amendment, which protects against unreasonable searches and seizures.
Needless to say, he was not a "marked man," and nothing ever happened to
him for his decision.
|What we need to have people do now, this weather is nice. This is our
fighting ground, the state of Michigan. Now the Republic of Michigan is what we are
planning on hanging on to. We could run to other states and eventually we might have to
abandon the situation. If youre planning on fighting here, there are a couple of
things we want you to do, weve already got people doing for years, not just for
And what were planning on doing is, if we can, were going to
assign all of you, the first mission is to go out and dig in, I dont mean dig bunker
complexes pe se. We want you to go out to the outlying areas, pick some place miles away
from your house or a mile away from your house in a secluded area. We want you to dig in
and create a fortified position of some type, one or two man each, two or three in a
network. We want them completely camouflaged over and leave them. Now there are some
rules, and I want to explain them. I saw this and these people were asking about these
people that were arrested, they thought it was in Florida, it was in California. People
were in the National forest out in the boondocks and what they were doing, they had dug
positions and they were apparently stashing arms and equipment, we all know what that was
about. They made several major mistakes, which were flaws in the plan, though, and I saw
it when I saw those pictures. Now it could have been a propaganda piece; remember, they
know whats going on and they know they cant stop all this because we will
termite their ass. You get a million people out here doing this and you cant keep
track of them. Big Brother does not have an all-seeing eye; thats an illusion.
Theyre counting on everybody thinking, as Orwell said, when he talked, Orwell talked
about the black helicopters. The black helicopters' mission was to go around and make
everybody believe they could see everything. Its not that they could see everything,
its that everyone was terrified into dysfunction so that nobody did anything. And
thats whats happening right now with a lot of people.
What happened out west, if what appears to have happened happened out west, when
youre digging your position, Ive talked about this before but I want to make
sure that everybody gets this again, the most common way from the air they will identify a
target is through thermal energy. Well, hot spots like us do stand out to a certain
extent, with earthen cover the temperature changes and it's much harder to define its
signature. However, most people dig a hole, and throw the dirt up on top. When
theyre done they put their overhead cover in place with their structure and their
sandbags, then throw the dirt over on top again and spread everything out. What
youve created is a shoot-me symbol, because all that is inorganic subsoil that does
not have the living matter in it, becomes a big shining target as large as youve
spread out. And thats what probably happened in California, theyre using the
IRT system, the infrared surveillance technology, which is state of the art. They probably
scanned an area and what theyre looking for are sites like this where you have nice
neat squares where somebody dug a hole and buried something and they just filled the hole
back in, they didnt pay any attention to what they were doing. When you dig a hole,
either bring visiclean or ponchos with you, lay the visiclean or ponchos around the site
to be dug, take the surface soil and literally sod it out, scab it out and save it. Once
youve done that, take the subsoil out, either fill the sandbags you;re going to be
using if you're fitting a fighting position or take it and save it to be moved , again,
you could use sandbags for this, theyre the easiest sized container, or five gallon
plastic buckets, whatever youve got.
When youre done, bring your position back up, camouflage accordingly with the
topsoil, and using the original topsoil slabs that were on the cut, make sure they're
situated the same on the overhead cover, so when they look down or when theyre
shooting down in a surveillance mode, theyre going to get something that looks
basically like whats been there forever. Now you can modify this with other organic
material such as fallen timber, rotted debris, you could also enhance the area by bringing
in seed and actually developing from other materials in the area, overgrowth, and you
should think about that now, this is the time to do it. And once its done it will
have that Star Wars lifted effect, and you leave it. You may not use it this month, you
may not use it next month. But Id rather be a few feet underground than with my ass
hanging to the wind aboveground with someone trying to shoot at me. Also, these give you
areas or rally points that your individual sections can use if you have to leave the house
and go somewhere else. This will be an objective, a first rally point. Then you may have
other rally points. For miles, in all directions, there are positions like this right now
around where were sitting, all the way out to ten miles that have been in place,
some of them for years, and theyre already there and they look just like
theyve been there always and in fact cannot be discerned from the air or the ground.
Theyre grown in, they look natural, you can walk into them and disappear.
Thats what you need to do now. You dont need to do hundreds of them, but you
should at least do three or four, depending on the manpower you have available, and what
your area is like, too. Flat terrain is not conducive to good health in many cases, but it
can be usable. Rolling terrain is best, needless to say, high low ground, strange
contours, harder to identify objectives. Now does it mean that you can completely hide
from their technology? No not necessarily, though there are protective measures. But what
it means is, this needle in the haystack youve created is one of thousand of
locations they have to observe, hundreds of thousands, millions. It is impossible for them
to keep track of that many targets, period.
Person: What if you could pick up some manure and make some nice little
in the woods?
Koernke: To create hotspots. Yes. That can be done. Thats a good idea.
Using manure, which of course as an organic will generate heat as it decomposes, creating
methane, and also generating heat during the conversion process. You could use od? to
create hotspots or to create helicopter bait. Thats another consideration. If you
want to bring a helicopter in to where you can talk to him, then you might want him to
think you're dumb enough to be sloppy. Then they might be smart enough to think they can
pounce, and like anything else, youve got to have something thats a confidence
builder. You want them to think that youve made the effort to conceal yourself, but
you're still not that good at it. And again, it has to have the resemblance of a fighting
position or a series of fighting positions. For instance, tent cities can be set up, fire
is not normally used but you can use, for instance, one of the cheaters for making thermal
imaging people, a little ? candle inside of plastic bags, they give you a billowing effect
but its inside a contained vessel, so it will simulate the torso of a human being
thats normally monitored. Theres a lot of neat tricks you can use inside
positions so that they want confidence building when they scan an area if they have a
target. When they scan that area they get what will make them believe that it's a viable
target worth wasting ammunition on. Once theyve brought equipment in, then you can
create your air defense net or protective net, depending on what you have to deal with,
air or ground, or both, and assume both, by the way, assume that theyre going to
have normally some air support. Priority is to what? Destroy the air support first. Once
theyve lost their mechanized capability, theyve got to fight on the ground and
its a totally different environment when the high tech toys arent there. So
the helicopters are a priority in all cases, I dont care whose nationality they are
or what they are, if theyre on the other side, if they're an aggressor, if they are
not American but United Nations, then your first objective is to destroy the mechanized
capability. Do not fight armor. If it's a tank, what have you got to stop it? We can
disable it, we can do some damage. If
unit you dont have the anti-tank
capability distributed throughout the country, right away, itll take time. You can
be selective in the weapons you do have and we do have some trinkets out there that can do
a fine job in whacking even the heavy armor, but the important thing is, dont fight
on equal terms, dont give them the opportunity to generate casualties. Fight another
day. It's very important because if you dont give their high tech equipment, which
costs a great deal of money to put in the field, even their aircraft in many cases, if
their aircraft dont have a viable target , if their armor doesnt have a viable
target, but it's out there being used, that's constantly frustrating and that's going to
create a big problem for them. Its coin warfare. Low tech, simple easy to use, it's
user friendly, KISS, keep it simple stupid, technology. The simpler it is the more likely
it is to use properly and use effectively and that is very, very important and dont
This little news clipping was important because it gave us a little insight into how
they're going to try to use propaganda to get us to lock up. You just gotta make sure you
dont make the mistakes other people do when they show them on television, when they
show these little tidbits. And remember, some of them may be fabricated and in fact
probably are fabricated for the benefit of the psychological warfare effort. They may not
have even captured anybody, this could have purely been something put together. This is
not the first time it has happened in the past and it won't be the last time it happens.
|This lengthy section is a typical, if not particularly
interesting, example of "militia neep"--that is, language designed to indicate
expertise in military-related topics. Although here the subject of the neep is field
fortifications, the most common subject of militia neep is, not surprisingly, weapons.
Discussion groups on the Internet quite frequently fill themselves with arguments about
which gun is best for a militiaman. These arguments go on endlessly, as each participant
strives to show that he knows more obscure gun facts than the next person. Interestingly,
later on in this video Koernke seems to bypass this subject, suggesting that any
long-range weapon will do.
The incident in California to which Koernke briefly
refers actually took place. In early 1994 a Tulare County sheriff's deputy discovered a
bunker full of weapons in a national park in California. This led to a two-month
investigation which discovered several other bunkers and eventually resulted in the
arrests of six men and one woman. The bunkers were located in Sequoia National Forest, Los
Padres National Forest and Angeles National Forest. Some were as much as eight feet deep
and forty feet long.
Occasionally forest rangers and other officials ran into members of the
paramilitary group, who passed themselves off as various federal agents, including a
fictitious agency called the "U.S. Enforcement Agency." One of the members had a
previous criminal record. The individuals were charged with conspiracy to commit an
offense against the United States, false impersonation of a U.S. officer, possession of a
firearm by a felon (for one individual), and malicious destruction of federal property.
The individuals charged were Peter Thomas Clark (the leader, who claimed to have been a
colonel in the French Foreign Legion), John Delacruz, Jack Tsung Shieng Wu, Rebecca Lynn
Perkins, Daniel Gomez, Robert Ramos, and Darren Delacruz.
The group claimed in partial defense that the "U.S. Enforcement Agency"
was a private company which specialized in providing bouncers to nightclubs. One
member said that Clark's idea was for the group to become "international bounty
hunters." The various members of the group all either pled guilty or were
convicted, and received sentences that ranged from probation to several years in jail.
One exception was Rebecca Perkins; charges against her were dismissed.
What the group was really doing in the national parks will probably never be
|Now the Texas excursion otherwise gave us a good insight into the general
posture of the Texans, they're pretty well pissed off. The general attitude which was
given to us, which I think everybody else has heard from other friends and relatives, is
that they're embarrassed and also they're ashamed because of the fact that they were all
talked into and lulled into the same sense that everything was going to be okay that we
did. Everybody agrees that it's not going to happen again. Now the most common question
that everybody asks us is when is the next Waco. Well, whenever it is, what it looks like
it is going to be the next Waco, aint gonna happen. OK, thats the most
important thing. Well, one thing that we notice in the last couple weeks, when
theres an article, it's in the other room, Nancy was looking at it, this propaganda
blitz on this gentlemen on the western side of the state, that thing is being done, there
are about four or five different versions of this being done all over the country at the
same time on the same week, which means we have five Wacos instead of one. In every region
they kept it compartmentalized. People outside of Michigan area didnt hear anything
about this guy in Michigan, cuz we asked. "Did you hear about the next Waco up here
in Michigan?" "Huh?" Well, thats because it was compartmentalized; it
was tailored for the Michigan region. The next step was back in Virgnia, we heard
something similar, weve also got Claire Prophet out in, out west, which is another
target objective, weve got a target in Carolina, weve also got a couple down
What theyre doing is, keeping them compartmentalized, they can use more
than one Waco, or well say Waco Two: The Adventure Continues. The Waco Two
operations will be tuned now, remember, every time theyre done with something like
this, they adjust the machine for the mistakes that were made. They will not let the
general media in on the next one. They will have their own camera crews there. If they are
not successful, you will not hear about it. Never, ever will the media give you any type
of viable information that is friendly. If at all possible, it's always anti propaganda,
its always stuff designed to downtrod you. Its a downer, dude. Remember?
Theyve got a problem. What they're doing is, they know how to pull the strings. The
important thing is that we pull a few of theirs in return. Now with these different Wacos,
if they do it, and typically the case, it will probably be points of the compass--north
south east west--they will all take place within a 48 hour period. We don't have the
specifics on all of them yet, but we will probably--by the time they are done with all the
news blitzes they have done in each region--be able to get a good overview of the targets.
With that in mind, Ive already talked to people within the last couple weeks, we
were discussing this. This is what needs to be done in Michigan. We've now been given a
coordinate. We got pictures of the guy's house here, hes actually a well to do man,
hes a millionaire. What we need to do is propagandize that area. If you want to give
tapes away for the next week or two weeks, what we need to do is we need to sit down,
people need to get together tonight and decide who's going to do what. We need to sit down
with a county map of that area, locate his house, and in a ring, inundate that area with
friendly propaganda as a groundbed so that if we do go to war in a situation like that, we
have some friendlies, who have a better understanding of what's happening here. In other
words, the one advantage to theirs of our propaganda mechanism, the fact that we're going
to generate good information, is that unlike the boob tube here, when you shut if off at
night, it's gone. Nobody is recording their propaganda and keeping it day after day. With
the tapes and with the audiotapes and with the paper, it's in their living room every
night. So when they see something on the news and somebody starts squawking with the
propaganda machine, they go, "Hey, wait a minute, wait a minute, I heard this stuff
before, these guys, hey, you have to see this tape." You heard it a hundred times
over. You gotta see this tape. That's exactly what they were talking about. Click, plug it
in. And especially if the locals watch
help considerably, if the locals come to the
aid of the neighbor and they try to ostracize the locals, you now have a galvanized ally
for life. See how that works? And by permeating the area with our propaganda mechanism, in
other words with our tapes, its not propaganda. It's all true, we try to keep it truthful.
Of course, well blow up the numbers whenever we can, in regard to our people, they
dont need to know everything. But our mechanism is designed so they get truthful
information, how to find it, where to find it, what to do, we have copies of the data that
we demonstrating, that information is a priceless cartridge in our rifle. It's the first
one we can use and it's the cheapest.
Now the way to do it is to take the county maps and then take a highlighter and mark
off the township map. Once youve marked off the township, go to the target objective
area, start with those townships and circle the largest towns and ignore them temporarily.
The enemy first of all makes a greater effort with the propaganda machine here to get hold
of the larger communities. They also control the newspapers automatically. Since
theyve already targeted the media, why do you want to fight in their realm? Why do
you want to combat and use resources or waste them, butting up against a wall you
cant break through? Your best bet is to go to the outlying small communities, the
places that have four corners. They have a gas station, video store, grocery store
hardware combination, and a barber shop, we all know what the barber shop is good for, and
beyond the barber shop there might be a lawyer's office or there might be two or three
realtor's offices or whatever. Go in there with four, five or six different tapes,
whatever you can afford as a group. I recommend doing four different objectives a weekend,
if you want to, or sometime during the week. Go in with the paperwork, duplicate as much
as you can first of all, all the written material, that you make a lot of. Take about ten
or fifteen people or five people, go to the barber shop, go to the hardware, go to the
grocery store, go to the gas station, give each one a different tape, and then inundate
the area with administrative paper work: how to, where to, what to, what is this all
about. Thats just like planting a bomb. If each person got a different tape in a
little four corner town like that, I guarantee everybody talks to everybody else. The
barber shop got one tape, somebody comes in the barber shop and says, " I got this
really weird tape, Fred, you know, you oughta hear about this, dadadadada," and the
barber goes, "Here I got one, too, with the guys in uniform, talking about this
military stuff," "Well, thats not the tape I got," "Well, you
wanna see my tape," "Oh, I wanna see your tape," all of a sudden what's
happened is they will intercommunicate and pass the data back and forth on their own. You
wont have to do all the work and you wont have to spend all the money.
|The reference to Waco, of course, is a reference to the
Branch Davidians and their deadly standoff with federal authorities in 1993.
references to other religious groups and figures are considerably more obscure. The
"guy in Michigan" to whom Koernke refers is multimillionaire Robert Van Kampen
(in 1989 listed as one of America's 400 wealthiest individuals), an investment banker,
philanthropist and extreme religious devotee who moved to western Michigan from the
Chicago area in 1993.
Van Kampen believed that the end of the world was near, that all of the prophecies
in the Bible indicating the end of the world had been fulfilled except for one. His
books include "The Sign" (1992), which claims that Adolf Hitler will be
resurrected as the Antichrist. When he and his wife Judy moved to Michigan (along
with five other families who were associated with Van Kampen's endtimes prophesying), it
caused some alarm among local residents, especially when reports surfaced that he was
building a huge bunker. The bunker actually turned out to be a 7,200-square-foot
underground vault for his huge collection of religious manuscripts.
Koernke also refers to Claire Prophet, who is "out west." This is a
reference to cult leader Elizabeth Claire Prophet, also known as "Guru Ma,"
leader of a cult called the Church Universal and Triumphant.
The Church Universal and Triumphant is a rather wealthy cult started around 1960
and based in California throughout much of the 1980s, but which in 1986 moved to a 24,000
acre ranch near Livingston, Montana. Members built a huge compound, complete with
extensive bomb shelters. Prophet--who claimed to be the reincarnation of Queen
Guinevere and Marie Antoinette--predicted the end of the world by nuclear holocaust,
perhaps as early as 1990. Her followers, stocked with survival goods, would somehow
be able to survive. Members sold all personal possessions to move to her compound.
They were also well-armed--also a source of controversy, as when Prophet's husband
purchased fifteen guns under an assumed name.
Incidentally, the world did not end in 1990. Nor were Van Kampen or Elizabeth
Claire Prophet ever attacked in any way by the federal government.
|Now the important thing here is KISS, keep it simple stupid, and we also
are limited in resources. Your machine and the machine weve always built up, has
been very, very cost efficient. Its' got to be a grass roots operation, first of all,
Ive said before, you cant liberate anybody yourself, theyre going to
have to liberate themselves. They going to have to do it themselves, they're going to have
to educate themselves, make the decision personally in their life whether or not they want
to dig in more and find out more about this, but if you find somebody who is like that,
thats a kindred spirit, and now you are doing the best you can, youve started
him on the right path, and thats how this will work out, in a few weeks you can come
back in the area, and inundate it with another little bit of propaganda again, hit em with
another target group. This has to be done very quickly, the very fact that they wasted the
paperwork that they did, there were four or five newspaper articles that were in the
Michigan area alone, the Free Pres included, the Detroit Free Press, on the other side of
the state. What that means is that they were setting up a Rolling Thunder operation, done
with carpetbombing with the newspapers, we watched here two Fridays ago, it was on the
nightly news, and who shows up that weekend, the Butcher of Waco, Janet Reno, what is she
talking about? The ten counties that they want to do the house to house search and
seziures in, across the country. It is no accident that they would time this this way.
Nothing is by accident here. This is coordinated effort. Sarah Brady was in here the same
week, she was in Detroit, so this is all coordinated so that everybody gets that warm
fuzzy feeling that we got a threat to the Constitution, that's what they want. If
youll notice theyve said this several times through propaganda. They took a
poll; 64% of the American people agreed, we need to get rid of the Constitution and
surrender it for a while, if you surrender the Constitution you will never get it back.
Well, it's moot, let's put it that way, it's irrelevant.
||Rolling Thunder is a reference to the bombing campaign
conducted by American forces against North Vietnam during the Vietnam War.
Koernke's statement that "they took a poll; 64% of the American people agreed, we
need to get rid of the Constitution and surrender it for a while," is a typical piece
of Koernke misinformation. He is referring here to a poll conducted in late 1993 by the
Los Angeles Times which asked Americans about their opinions on gun control. In response
to one question--whether Americans thought gun control laws would be strong enough even
after the passage of the Brady bill--64% suggested that they would not be strong enough,
24% thought they would be adequate, and 7% throught they would be too strong. The
poll said nothing about "getting rid of the Constitution."
|So we're in a situation now where it's a great decision process.
Weve done very well in most of our efforts across the country. I will remind you
that the whole tape, if you want to understand what really happened and why if you
question whether or not this doesn't work, we didnt advertise America in Peril
or A Call to Arms. Everything we did with America in Peril was all word of
mouth, hand to hand, person to person, carried all over the nation. America In Peril
now is in all 50 states of the Union, it's in Canada, it's probably in Mexico, we know
it's in Asia, Australia, New Zealand, Europe. Yeah, definitely in France because it was
just translated to French, it'd be fun to watch that tape, and on top of that we know it
went to other parts of Europe. But the fact of the matter is the only way it got there is
because of people, just like everybody sitting here, who said, "Here youve got
to see this." That did what we wanted because the enemy was not able to identify an
activity until it was very late and into its development, so we're very deep into the
aggressor. Instead of him having an understanding, because we didnt "Oh you
gotta see this on Channel 2" we got to buy time on the regular news media; first of
all, they wouldnt let you buy the time, second of all, if the media got a hold of it
and perceived a real threat, they would fabricate an action against it. In fact, we got a
copy right here on tape, it came out of Canada, where we definitely affected the Canadian
situation. It was totally fabricated but it was done in the classic form, if you can't
attack anything else, try to attack the messenger and fabricate the data, which is exactly
what they did. What that tells me is this, first of all you never acknowledge an enemy if
you can help it. That's the first policy of the government. Never give them any media
coverage, thats free, never admit theres any kind of resistance out there,
because what that does for other patriots is this," I thought I was alone,
theres a bunch of guys out there, I just saw this thing on TV, well if they're out
there maybe there are a bunch of other people out there
" Thats why they
dont tell you anything. So the very fact that they actually made the effort to do
damage control and play little Dutch boy and put their finger in the dike, tells us that
we hurt them badly and they're just now acknowledging it. In fact, I doubt they really
knew about this whole idea, about the way we did it, until sometime in the middle of
December, when they actually perceived what the actual base is across the nation, because,
like I said, it's not one part of the country, it's all fifty states. There's no way we
can stop it, theres no way that it will be stopped now. It's going to take time,
victory is already assured, there's just too many bodies against them, and now they're
going to have to figure out how to bollux the works up and do great damage against us.
When I say us I mean the country as a whole, because if they cant have this whole
piece of real estate, theyre gonna try to do so much damage that we will not be able
to repair it easily and then they can walk in some other way.
So we have to prepare and
several others, too, and Ive talked about this. Medical support. Youve got to
be on a track to develop at least some form of medical skills. We wanna see also some form
of physical skills, carpentry, trades, whatever you can pick up, even if it's just general
handyman. How to fix, how to work, how to do. We have to have a very broad-based
population again, and thats going to take a lot of effort. That will be very, very
difficult in some ways because the average skilled laborer is much older than the person
coming up to replace him. You're only going to have a limited amount of time for all of
you who are skilled to pass your working knowledge on to other men and women below you.
See, that's a problem with what they did to our system with regard to industry.
Theyve created this massive gap in which we have lost an entire bed of technology
that's needed to maintain industry here. The hands-on people, especially. That's where the
teaching effort is going to have to come in. See, it's not just war effort, it's what are
we going to offer when we are done? Because once we're finished with this--Im
looking beyond this now--weve got to be able to sit in on government, weve got
to be able to sit in and demonstrate industry. It's going to have to be small industry,
were going to make sure that never again do we centralize to the level that weve
allowed these monsters to, because thats been part of our demise. Smallest is
bestest. We disperse it, theres no way you can destroy any single part of the
industry, because the industry is distributed throughout the nation. That is the safest
way to insure any kind of production, under any conditions, natural disaster, war,
anything else you can think of, those two cover most everything--natural and man-made is
about all you get here, usuallydivine intervention, were expecting that down
|America in Peril and A Call to Arms were two of
Mark Koernke's earliest videotapes. The former, made in late 1993, is probably
Koernke's most infamous speech; it is the one in which made references to hanging public
|Other activities, the tape we just got back from Gulfport is just an
extension of what weve already seen, but there are now over 2000 vehicles on the
site. How many people watched the videotape? Okay, everybody got a chance to see the
bumpers are marked, the windshields are marked, there is no doubt in anybody's mind that
this is United Nations equipment. Okay, now if they are continuing this, there is one
thing I will make mention,: if they allowed us to see the trucks, this is the old story of
watch this hand, watch this hand, whoops, missed these, didnt you? Thats
exactly what theyre doing. Theyve allowed us to see equipment thats
certainly vital to their resource, to their forces, but thats not the only resource
that they have. It's been keeping us busy, some of us busy, not everybody, while other
activities are taking place around the nation. There are many other points than just that
Person: Do you think thats why they put it by a major freeway or
something, so that people would notice it?
|The reference to Gulfport and United Nations equipment is
an allusion to one of the hottest conspiracy topics in the militia movement in 1994,
popularized by Koernke, Militia of Montana leader John Trochmann, televangelist Jack Van
Impe and others. Koernke refers to some 700 old East German and Russian trucks
located in Saucier, Mississippi. Airmar Resources, a small company headed by Fred
Koval, purchased the trucks in order to refurbish them and sell them to the United Nations
for use elsewhere for delivering humanitarian aid (the trucks can't be driven in the U.S.
because they use leaded fuel). Koval bought the vehicles at an auction in Germany
shortly after the reunion of East and West Germany. "Patriots" discovered
the old trucks and decided they were part of the New World Order plot to invade the United
States. Shortly thereafter Koval found his property crawling with militiamen trying
to take photographs of the "United Nations military vehicles."
|Koernke: Well, sometimes the best place to hide a thing is in plain
sight, remember. Most people, how many people told you, "Well, I know what there,
those are army surplus vehicles and it's just the government getting rid of some of their
own trucks." I mean, I had people telling me, first of all, well, look guys that have
been in the military, weve been in the military, weve been in the training
phase, we understand the whole process, we even buy tonnage from the government, we buy
the vehicles from them, when things are for sale. Youll notice on that fence
theres a big sign that says "Not for sale." Thats because the
patriots, first way they found, the way they found out about these, they drove up acting
like a box of rocks, said "Hey, I wanna buy some of those old army trucks," and
the guy said, "No, theyre not for sale," "Oh, they gotta be for sale,
they look like old army surpluses, thats stuff they're selling," "No no
no," and after about fifteen minutes of carrying on like this they said, "No,
these are United Nations vehicles, theyre not for sale, theyre going to be
used again da da da da da," well, of course, cha ching, the big light went on
up overhead and everybody understood from that point why they werent for sale. These
are not for American use per se, they are for United Nations use, you are looking at an
extension of 7277 State Department document drawn up to abolish arms in the United States
and eventually to disarm the American people and transfer the authority over to the United
States and surrender our sovereignty. That is the bottom line to all of this and
anybodys who's too stupid enough not to see it needs to get a swift number ten up
their butt, and then be sent on down the road.
In fact, those that are promoting it, by
the way, thats another problem that I have, the ones that think it's a good idea,
let them practice their little socialist or fascist or communist routine over in Europe or
in Africa or Asia but they can leave us alone, 'cause I know misery loves company and
thats a problem with these characters. They cant suffer to have us all free
because once they bollux the system up, we're still standing outside the system, still
have the capability to build anything we want. They, on the other hand, will be
hard-pressed because they're not the builders, they're sucking off everyone elses
resources. Theres only so much to suck off from, eventually its all gone. You
know we are the last tit in line, sorry, the hogs gone dry so far.
Person: Excuse me, Mark, for interrupting. Ive got the letter from the
head of the state police responding to Jack Wellbornes request about the
multijurisdictional task forces. It's in the car; if you want, Ill get it and you
can tell them what it says.
Koernke: Good, by the way, when we came back, thank you, when we came back from
our two week tour, one of the things we, that George brought in, were articles from the
Bay City and Saginaw area, which admitted, in the newspaper, that 22 MJTF police units are
in Michigan right now. It also gave some of the locations, Ive got it in the back in
the briefcase, I hope, we didnt carry it off last time, if it's here well
leave it here, we'll make copies. But if youll recall two and three years ago,
"Oh, the MJTF didnt exist
didnt exist," everybody was
pooh-poohing it because they were trying to draw attention from the fact that they were
there. Now they can no longer deny that they exist, so the only option they have is, they
cant deny they exist, is to try to divert the intent, try to make people believe
that theres something else happening. Well, they lied the first time, because they
are here and they claim that they weren't, so any other excuse that they're giving now is
simply more filth piled on top of the rest of the dung pile and it's simply an extension
of the lies that they generated from the beginning to try and conceal the effort. We're on
a given path starting to be laid down by them.
Person: Uh, also, a week from this weekend they're supposed to have a big
Army-Guard bivouac, helicopters, the whole shot, everything from Lansing going up to
.up the U-P there, out in the woods, and Im wondering if there's any way we
can get guys up there that can tell all this stuff and
Person: Next weekend?
Koernke: Kitchlowe? may be closed, but as far as that can be, they can still be
using the property, youll still be jailed. Oh, it will be good practice for their
operations if its now a prison. The one thing that bothers me about this whole
thing, and I've said this before, but I cant trust it, so I want to make sure I keep
repeating it, isnt it pretty sickening that the only growth industry we have is
prisons? There isnt anything else were doing. All these bases were supposed to
become "Industrial Opportunity sites" and yet the only ones that have been
released have all become jails and prisons, creating more and more space for fewer and
fewer prisoners because if you keep spreading them out, all of a sudden you have far more
beds than you need. Theres another question that I have, too, I asked someone else,
I said, "Okay, with all the things were doing right now
Stops, starts looking at letter handed to him.
Koernke, reading: "Dear sir, thank you for your letter of March 10, 1994,
regarding the multijurisdictional task forces and as to establishing additional task
forces, we have no plans to do so. We do have 22 existing multijurisdictional task forces,
which predominately investigate, target narcotic trafficking conspiracies, etc. The goal
of these task forces is to integrate federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies
and prosecutors in order to improve interagency efficiency and
effectiveness"and we all know how that works"while most drug task
forces have regional territories, one team, the Divergent Investigation Unit or DIU, has
statewide responsibility dictated to investigating the diversion of prescription drugs by
health care personnel and pharmacists. Another team, the Southeastern Michigan Conspiracy
Organization or SEMCO, works with task forces in six southeastern counties solely on high
level conspiracy cases."
Someone: Like us.
Koernke, continuing: "
.We have been able to attach surveillance and auto
theft teams in order to maximize the effectiveness and capitalize on existing supervisory
structure. All 22 task forces are adminstered by state police personnel--" which of
course, case in point, state response team, SRT, weve had a great deal of experience
with them in training
slaughtered them with reckless abandon, they had three months
worth of psychological evaluation and counseling , after a training exercise, because the
cadets, they were involved with. Yes, they could bench press 4 and 500 pounds, but they
shit their pants, when they realized someone was trying to kill them. "This provides
a much needed consistency in terms of police policy and procedure; for example, evidence
handling, report writing, forfeiture procedure"we all know what that means,
dont we"and sharing of intelligence information is basically the same for
all 22 teams. We will also occasionally form a special multijurisdictional task force to
meet a specific need. The House Fiscal Agency investigation, for example, was conducted by
a task force comprised of state and federal investigators. The state police investigators
were assigned from established units and they will return to their primary duties when
that investigation has been completed. I hope that I have addressed your questions. Please
contact me if additional information is required." No problemo, dude. The nice thing
about it is, now what we can do is use this as a target base, if all else fails, follow
the money through public data. We follow the money through public data, we can find out
the locations of the sites that theyre using that may be clandestine for collection
activities, what specific units are involved, within a short period of time, at least,
especially with this SEMCO, that helps a great deal, that by itself is what we
SEMCO is in existence, I guarantee you that throughout the state budget and
the federal budget you will find data for particularly those and it will not take long to
identify the units attached, so this letter is priceless. Of course, these dont
exist, by the way. For the last two and a half to three years
Person: Right, when you were talking about, were nuts, two years ago.
Koernke: Excellent, you made copies already?
Person: Well, youve got one
.on the back of one of those, but
Ill get copies to you.
Koernke: Now if there are 22 in Michigan, how many are nationwide?
Person: Thats right.
Koernke: Oh oh.
In this paragraph, Koernke makes a reference to "7277 State Department
document," another popular source of "patriot" conspiracy theories.
State Department Document 7277 is a pamphlet published in 1961 during the Kennedy
administration. It was a summary of a proposal made by John F. Kennedy entitled
"Freedom from War: the United States Program for General and Complete
Disarmament in a Peaceful World." The document is a broad outline of the basic
stance by the United States with regard to a possible halting of the arms race between the
United States and the Soviet Union, including both nuclear and conventional forces.
The document set down the broad positions of the United States on how this could be
The document was an essentially conservative document, as its title suggests:
disarmament could take place only in the context of a "peaceful world,"
which was unlikely ever to be accomplished. Basically, the document proposed three
basic stages of arms reductions, only two of which were discussed in any detail.
Gradually arms would be reduced in "balanced, phased and safeguarded measures,"
and the United Nations correspondingly strengthened so that it could guarantee the
external security of member nations.
The first stage would reduce military force levels to 2.1 million soldiers each for
the United States and Soviet Union and would begin reducing armaments, including the
reduction and eventual elimination of chemical, biological and radiological weapons.
The first stage would also halt nuclear testing and impose restrictions on nuclear
proliferation. Weapons of mass destruction would also be prohibited in outer space,
while communications links would be set up, notifying countries of major military
maneuvers, etc., to reduce risks of accidental war. Many of the items in Stage I had
already been subjects of negotiation for some time and were largely unremarkable and not
too controversial. Many of the above measures became the basis for treaties between
the United States and the Soviet Union in the 1960s and 1970s.
The second stage involved the reduction of national military forces and the
creation of a permanent UN peacekeeping force. The third stage would reduce arms
still further and strengthen the UN forces. Generally speaking, the United States
never made any attempt to negotiate any Stage II or Stage III measures, although with the
collapse of the Soviet Union, further reductions in nuclear and conventional weapons did
This document was first demonized by the John Birch Society in the 1960s and has
periodically surfaced as a target ever since. One twist added by
"patriots" is the notion that armaments include all personal weapons in civilian
hands, and that therefore this document is, rather than a guide for arms reduction talks,
a sinister plan for gun confiscation by the United Nations.
Koernke here also makes reference to the "multijurisdictional task
forces," another popular bogeyman for Koernke. The MJTF, according to
"patriot" conspiracy theorists, is a national police force consisting of FBI,
ATF, BLM and other agents, all controlled by FEMA, with headquarters in Ft. Monroe,
Virginia. This MJTF conducts MOUT (Military Operations in Urban Terrain) exercises all
across the country, and cross-trains with foreign troops at Ft. Polk, Louisiana. The MJTF
reportedly owns over 3,000 black helicopters. According to Mark Koernke (in another
context), the MJTF was created when "through a series of political actions that
started out in approximately March 1989, the federal government extorted resources from
all 50 states simultaneously, within a two-week period, passing laws in every state,
authorizing the use of federal funding to convert local and state forces into national
police forces. The MJTF Police is in virtually every state of the United States now. Its
primary mission is house to house search and seizure, the separation and categorization of
men, women and children in large numbers, the transfer of those citizens to detention
facilities, and the use of those facilities for interrogation purposes. The MJTF are
regular National Guard, local law enforcement and street gangs, all converted to national
police services. Remember that this was originally organized under President George
Herbert Walker Bush."
Discerning readers will note that there is no national police force consisting of
"street gangs" and other forces, nor is there any "MJTF Police" with a
mission of house to house search and seizure and transporting people to concentration
|Person: I got a question, Mark. I heard somewhere that Linda
Thompson was calling for an armed march on Washington by the militia.
September. Anybody have a copy of that? Ive got it, weve got it
in the briefcase.
Person: Armed march?
Person: Anybody remember the last time MacArthur did
what about that?
Koernke: One of the problem, okay, the problem, number one, is this, first of
all, well, it was against the veterans, when they marched for their benefits.
Person: During the Depression.
Koernke: During the Depression, the veterans at the very beginning of it marched
on Washington to try and receive their veteran benefits from World War I, mind you, a
decade earlier, they waited, and a majority of the people showed up, they negotiated in a
.people to walk away, that they would get what they wanted. A number
of people were dissatisfied, a percentage stayed there. When they were still in place,
they were ordered to fire upon them and they did. And they killed a number of people,
wounded a large number, et cetera.
Anyway, an interesting point, what she generated was a Declaration of
<unclear conversation as someone leaves>
Koernke: Anyway, case in point, the Declaration of Independence was issued, was
generated after the hostilities began. It was not in advance of Lexington and Concord. So
theres a problem that it's premature, certainly weve had fighting, but
weve not had the constant, and we do not have the specific engagement that is
protracted and taking place now, and theres a mistake in issuing at this time. Also
shes given a specific date when everybody should show up. If I were the other side
Id be going, "Hmmm, I guess we know when the train pulls in the station,
dont we?" So, and number one, September is a long way away; if anybody thinks
well be around in September sitting here, please raise your hand, well
schedule it for you. We look out to the future that far but right now we look two weeks at
a time. Every time weve gone out somewhere in the last month weve first of all
had to ask the question should we leave and be that far from home at this time and
thats first and foremost on our minds and our thoughts right now if we go any place.
Now I balance it out this way, number one, the aggressor would hope that we will
compartmentalize and contain ourselves, that we would become fearful of any activity. We
have no choice but to do the reverse. I know for a fact whenever my mailing gets out
somewhere, weve been able to do damage, weve got more people motivated, people
go out on their own and do things, we dont have any idea what they are. Thats
priceless because it creates that many more fires and that many more patriots that are
organized. That is what we must do now, there is safety in numbers, the old adage,
gentlemen, if we do not hang together we will surely hang separately, is true today as it
was 200 plus years ago.
So we need the numbers and we need to make sure the people are awake. Now that
doesnt mean a lot of people are going to show up at your camp and eat your lunch.
Whats gonna happen is a lot of people are sitting on the fence right now, who
certainly know something's wrong, in the back of their little mind here it's actually
glowing red, but they wont make the decision to get off the fence and move. And
what's gonna happen is they're gonna show up bare-ass naked to the wind on your front
porch, expecting you to arm, equip, they will do something, probably, but they want you to
arm equip and feed them. Now, I'm gonna tell you right now and I've said in the past to
everybody you should have if possible 10 percent over what you need for that reason, if
for no other reason than half the people on this couch may be in your house two weeks from
now because they were prepared but their facilities were destroyed. It also works in the
reverse order; that is, if you people need a place to go, its not that you hadn't
commited yourself, you just may lose everything that you have. If thats the case, if
you show up somewhere, you will be fed, you will be fed, you will be equipped. Thats
long term planning. But theres another one, the butter knife brigade as we call
them, that are gonna show up, that I got a drawer full of butter knives for. The way it
works for a lot of them is like this: when they show up we pull out a butter knife and
give it to them and say "Go get a rifle." If they come back, they got an AK or
an M-16; if they dont come back, all I've lost is a butter knife. Okay? Thats
the best I can do in some cases. And were gonna have to judge accordingly, on how
were gonna work this. And thats historically has happened in the past, by the
way. That is an actual incident. So dont think it cant happen again.
One of the things I think everybodys seen, weve been all over the country,
and trust me, when you go west of the Mississippi, the first thing everybody asks if you
know if there's any primers, you know if there's any ammo? There isnt any ammo at
the gun shows. They described the gun shows in Texas to me, this is what happens, this is
what happens at every gun show theyre going to now. The two biggest ones are right
off the interstates, when you pull off the interstates it takes an hour and a half to two
hours to get off the expressway, to get into the parking lot to get to the gun show. Once
you get in the parking lot it takes an hour and a half to get through the line to get to
the door and they put six ticket lines in a row and there's a solid wall of people. Once
you get into the gun show, what they're saying, it's just assholes to elbows, to use the
term, but it's just solid bodies left to right front to back and he didn't even get
through two rows before you're either exhausted or theres nothing to buy. Most
ammunition is gone before eleven o'clock in the morning on the first day of the gun shows.
That should tell you something. Whatevers there, gone.
Person: Gun show in Midland last weekend, no ammunition.
Person: No primers, either.
Person: I wasnt there; he just said no ammunition.
Koernke: The good part is, the ammos all gone somewhere. What that means
is that it's not in a central location where it can be confiscated immediately the way it
was before. Now whats happening is the ammunition is tactically dispersed and it's
in the hands of the patriots. You're going to have to find several billion rounds of
ammunition. In fact I got into this conversation with somebody who was basically reporting
to somebody else. He started making all these comments last night on the phone, we were at
the office, he said, "well, what about machine guns?" You dont need
machine guns, how much ammo can you carry? What you need is something you can hit somebody
with at long range if possible, but how much ammunition can you carry and who's going to
re-supply you? That doesnt mean if you dont capture something you dont
carry it away, but right now concentrate on hitting them with the biggest nastiest thing
you can find at the greatest distance so they bleed out before they ever get close.
Thats my concern. I dont want them coming to visit me and bother me. Then he
said, "Well, how many rounds do you carry?" Well, whatever youre willing
to carry. Now, some people have problems, but we look at it as evacuation mode. My
personal attitude is lots of ammo, lots of ammo, a little bit of everything else, okay?
And if I can get grenades, I am, number one, the spirit of the bayonet, and I thoroughly
believe in the poor mans nuclear device, hand grenades. Because you can saturate
your way across the battlefield if at all possible, trust me, it works. Down
anyway, theyre pretty indiscriminate, they take everything
with them when possible, homemade Simtex, okay. Okay, now, the consideration here, too, is
then they were talking about a variety of heavy weapons. Well, there are a variety of
things that are out there, people already got them, some people are making them. I
dont wanna know about it. If its out there, it will show up on the
battlefield, we know the potential, we know a lot of great people out there, theyve
been doing things to take down things, they have
done them for a long time. Some of
you are supplying them, so they know exactly what it takes to knock them down. Trust those
Now with regards to standardization on weapons, if it will put a bullet down range,
it's a good rifle, okay. If it will put a bullet in something it's a good weapon. If it's
what you can afford, thats fine. Diversity is going to save us here, because were we
all standardized specifically on just one caliber throughout the country, what would you
do if you were on the other side? Thats right, knock it right down and make sure it
was never made again. Instead, because of the wide range of arms that are available and
because of the different types that we have on hand, we can draw from different
ammunitions at different times if we're short on the battlefield. Well be able to
draw certain weapons into the conflict and withdraw others until the munitions are
produced or until such time as we may have replacement weapons for them. But that will all
depend entirely on the condition. And thats something not a lot of people have
thought about, its nice to have a diverse number of cartridges. It may be a
nightmare of supply to a regular military, but were not a regular military. Anybody
here got a couple of million dollars in your back pocket,
factories to let us know
about, raise your hand right now. Oh well, I guess well stick with our plan. Okay,
thats how it works. Again, as much as you can afford, ammunition is a perishable
item, theres a finite amount of it out there, we told people back when it was 60,
70, 80 dollars a case, to buy it, everybody said "Ill get some down the
road." Yes, you will, now, at 150, 200, 220 dollars a case, so now, what I said
before is happening, what this is, a war for free resource. You have a finite amount of
material, which is a cap line. The aggressor has understood for years how to manipulate
your lives by creating shortages, as in fuel, shortages as in food, shortages in virtually
every area. Well, in this case they also understand limited resources, the value goes up.
If you have to spend more for less, you dont have as much out there that they have
to worry about. The problem is, they reacted late. They figured they were going to give us
just enough to get us killed; now we have certainly enough to win.
In fact, more, and whats really happening now, they finally figured out, probably
they saw a couple of our tapes because we blabbed all over the country, thats why
primers are becoming scarce. Because we told everybody get all the primers, get to the
reloading, because reloading wasnt hit yet. But once you have reloading
capabilities, you have your own factory. We get everybody in this room, everybodys
reloading capability to bear in one place, we could do virtually hundreds of thousands of
rounds a day, because we would simply work out the production processes, we'd have quality
control supervisors, and we could crank out the ammo we needed. It would just be a matter
of raw material, that's all there is to it. So we have the capability and it's dispersed.
Again, reloading is just like every other category we're working on. As long as it's
spread out, we're safe. Centralized, it can easily be decapitated and destroyed. So
weve got to maintain dispersion, especially with our armaments, especially with our
soldiers. Lexington and Concord, this is the key, they went after Lexington and Concord
because they were the only two viable targets that they could find, where they had
specific treasonous information from Tories that were inside the system. The ATF went
after themI mean the redcoats went out after them, and when they went out to
confiscate the weapons, and they showed up, the first time around the patriots were on the
green, they got fired on, some of them were killed. They got to the second location,
though, the town was empty. Everybody had fled with what they could grab and the patriots
were converging from miles around and there was no way they could stop them because nobody
knew where they all came from. From every tree, from every hillock, from every place where
there was a pile of stones the bullets sailed. And thats a really bad experience for
somebody on the other side, when you have this nice, neat impressive uniformed force, with
these neat red or black uniforms and all kinds of high tech garb and you're driving along
and all of a sudden you go uhhh, (falls over) and you never even hear the (makes
sound). And while everybodys looking up front, and slumped over the steering
wheel, here comes the ditch. Okay, now everybodys piling out of the truck and
thats when everybody else cuts loose and all of a sudden, your whole day is ruined.
The patriots get another deuce and a half , or another HUM-V or another russian GAV 131,
get a bunch of M-16s, Glocks, get a bunch of Kevlar helmets, and go on down the road and
find another one. And thats how it will happen, all the way back, wherever they came
from, when they start going back. The helicopter will be the same way. We just hope that
when they crash they dont burn so we can get everything out in time. Thats our
biggest concern, its like, you know, "Helmet, yuck, here you take that one.
Sock, take the sock. Hes got some good underpants, too, look at those underpants, I
havent seen 'em that good for a long time." And not only that, but you know,
the dogs have to eat.
|Linda Thompson was a major figure in the
"patriot" movement in 1993-94. An attorney then based in Indianapolis, she
emerged during the standoff at Waco, Texas, when she decided she would represent the
Branch Davidians. Largely ignored, she then declared a mass mobilization of the
"unorganized militia" of the United States at Waco to save the Davidians. Hardly
anybody showed up. After the horrifying end to the Waco standoff, Thompson produced two
videos alleging that the government had set fire to the Davidian's building with
flame-throwing tanks. These videos were extremely popular among members of the
"patriot" movement, and people like Timothy McVeigh watched them over and over
again. Thompson declared herself "Adjutant General of the Unorganized Militia of the
United States" and became a proponent of forming militia groups. In the spring of
1994 she overshot herself, however, when she called for an armed march by militia members
on Washington, D.C., and the hanging of treasonous Congressmen. This proved too audacious
for the young movement and she became the target of severe criticism (although not, it is
interesting to note, in this video, where Koernke is relatively gentle in dismissing the
notion). In September 1994, almost half a year after this video was made, Thompson
issued an angry letter cancelling the march. In the letter, she claimed that the
only reason that she had called the march was to convince people to start militia units,
and that since that was accomplished, there was no need for the armed march. In
reality, the march was cancelled because it was patently obvious that no one would show up
for it. The cancellation of the march on Washington marked Thompson's decline as a
leader in the militia movement, though she still remains active on its periphery.
also makes an allusion to the "Bonus March." In 1932, when the nation was
in the throes of the Great Depression, a movement formed among veterans of World War I to
demand early payment of veterans benefits. After the war ended, Congress voted to
pay its veterans a (modest) bonus starting in 1945. With the Depression as severe as
it was, many veterans wanted that money earlier. In 1932, calling themselves the
Bonus Expeditionary Force, they began arriving in Washington, D.C., to call for the bonus.
Several tens of thousands arrived in the capital by the summer of 1932, where they
slept in vacant government buildings and camped on the Anacostia flats about two miles
southeast of the Capital. A bonus bill failed in the Senate in June and at the end
of July, marchers were told to evacuate government property. After fighting broke
out when D.C. police tried to evict some veterans from a construction site, President
Herbert Hoover ordered Army Chief of Staff Douglas MacArthur to evict the BEF from U.S.
property. The Army moved in, using tear gas and bayonets, routing the Marchers and
burning their camp. The leaders were arrested, while the veterans and their families
were driven out of the city. It was one of the cruelest moments of the Depression.
|Koernke: Thats right, so everything can be used, and nothing
will go to waste. Always remember that. After all, the dogs are your friends. Well, beyond
that, as I said, the response is, kids, right now, it's important that we not react but we
respond. Ive been hearing a lot of debate, one of the things I try to put a cap on
right away, there was a lot of questions about other patriots, people in the patriot
movement. Certain personalities are out there. I didnt waste any more time than I
absolutely had to, I'm gonna say it again right now, the important thing is to stress
attack the enemy. Attack the enemy, attack the enemy. Ignore any contention amongst the
patriot element. Ignore it completely, we cannot afford it. Because with that, the enemy
smiles. And that will stop
in its tracks right now, weve got to stop that
before it gets started. Okay? In fact, if somebody else wants to discuss, in our personal
circles, in meetings like this, or anything else, no no no no. The only thing weve
got to worry about is weve got a foreign invader. Who's trying to usurp the
Constitution. Their objectives are obvious, their actions are obvious, it will be genocide
against the American people, beyond the shadow of a doubt. In fact if you look at the UN
Charter, they still have a eugenics operation, they still have a eugenics division. And
their objective is the planned extermination, the planned re-fabrication of the social
structure of different parts of the planet and they plan on having heavily engineering us,
okay? So our first objective is down the road with the enemy. Later on, once weve
got the house under control, we can start beating the snot out of each other with two by
fours in the back room, where nobody can see, okay ? But in the meantime, attack attack
attack, thats the best thing we can do. Tell you what, we're gonna take a break,
anybody, wait a minute, before we go to take a break, anybody got any questions, 'cuz
there was some stuff, go ahead, in the back, first.
Person: Im looking for
my Indianapolis photographs, of the concentration camps, were going to Wisconsin and
Id like to have them.
Koernke: Okay, Indy photos, wherever they are, weve got to have them. Okay
theyre right there. Okay.
Person: The stock markets, Ive heard rumors, theres a blurb in the
Toledo paper about thirteen days ago
Koernke: Oh, thank you. Bentsen, tomorrow night, is supposed to be saying
something about the money by the way. Nationally. We havent heard any more than
Person: Rumors something supposed to be said today.
Koernke: Well, there were two different pieces we had, we did call the one
number from the office, it was supposed to be the information line, and it was basically
telling people to have their reinvestments shipped over from one group to another by
today. So what specifically thats involved with with regards to different portfolios
or packages, were not sure. It sounded to me to be legitimate.
Person: They want two currencies, one to operate outside the United States, one
to operate in the, I wish I had brought this
Koernke: Theres a piece, well, interestingly enough, to follow that up
about internal and external currency, there was a piece in the Readers Digest that
somebody had pointed out to us, Ive got a copy of that in my briefcase right now, in
which they made a little comment that three hundred billion in cash is circulating, only
nine percent of that is in the United States right now, the rest of that is outside the
Person: Incidentally, Mark, we heard that theyre going to pull a
.out of circulation.
|For the record, the UN is not involved in eugenics,
planned extermination or planned re-fabrication.
|Koernke: Okay, thats, Im gonna get this in as many
places as I can to make sure everybody understands this. Nancy remembers this because I
was involved directly when the embassy fell in Iran. Youll notice that theyre
talking about this money being produced by the Syrians and the Iranians that is
counterfeit but is really good money. Thats a crock, its not really good
money, it's our money, it was printed by us on our own machinery. What is was, before the
embassy fell, the Central Intelligence Agency--I know a lot of the guys working there--the
Central Intelligence Agency had a US Treasury machine, one of the old printers, in the
basement, along with all the paper currency, all the paper they needed, currency paper,
and spare plates. When they took the embassy, we were talking about this for years after
it happened, what they would do is when the CIA wanted to bribe the informant or pay off a
government official or the military, theyd crank out the currency right there, and
the only reason they had that little flaw on it, and the flaw is not major, in fact, it
would be considered acceptable by press standard when in the Treasury, is so they could
identify the flow of the currency when it was used. And it was respected, and it was
accepted by any bank anywhere in the world and it was known it was being done 'cuz we knew
about it in intelligence circles. Now you can ask Nancy, go back and ask her, about that.
What theyre doing, is it was the excuse; remember: thesis, antithesis, synthesis.
This is going to be one of the several excuses they try to get the currency out. And they
are going to do the hundreds anyway, we know that, but this machine was provided by us
when they took the embassy over. What happened is, Ill relate the whole story,
refresh everybodys memory, when they took the embassy, they captured everybody they
thought, but there were three people they didnt find right away. Two of 'em were
women and one of them was a black gentleman who was back inside a chamber inside a chamber
inside another room. What happened is when they took the embassy they thought that they
had a closet they were looking at, and what they had to do is cut through every door, what
you do is when you're embassys being taken, you fortify, you roll the blast doors
shut and every room becomes a bunker. Well, what happened is they thought they were
looking at a closet so they brought out the cutting torches on a daily basis and they
opened this up and they found out it was a hallway. They cut another part and they found
it was another room. They found another door and they realized maybe they had better check
it out, well, they found this guy back there with a shredding machine and all this other
equipment and for three days straight hed been shredding papers, just loading, hour
after hour after hour, because he thought he was doing his job. Hes the only black
man--remember the Ayatollah had tried to create a racial split?
the one they let out.
Koernke: No, hes the one they wouldnt let out.
Person: Wouldnt let out.
Koernke: Right, of all the blacks, remember, they let all the blacks go, but
there was one black guy, everybody said, "Well, why didnt they let him out of
there," this is why they didnt let him out of there, he pissed them off because
he was doing his job, and hed been doing it for three days straight, you can imagine
the pile of paper, he was shredding and burning everything. So the money came from that
site, the presses came from that, if they broke a press plate, they had spare plates on
site, so they even had what they needed to repair the machine.
Person: Another thing thats been going around, Mark, is that they were
going to be doing maneuvers down on the Gulf Coast, and in the Virginia, it was supposed
to happen today,
this was maybe false information.
|In one of the most memorable segments of the videotape,
Mark Koernke relates a fascinating anecdote about the Iranian hostage crisis and at the
same time buttresses his "credentials" as someone who knows the dirty secrets of
the American government. Or does he?
Although Koernke suggests that he
was "involved directly when the embassy fell in Iran," and implies that the
story he relates comes from the Central Intelligence Agency--"I know a lot of guys
working there"--in actuality all Koernke does is repeat (and conflate) two completely
separate incidents, both well-reported in the press at the time. To his audience,
Koernke seems to be in possession of all sorts of contraband information. In
reality, he simply has good recall of what he read in the newspaper.
Koernke's first anecdote involves the taking of the American embassy in Iran on
November 4, 1979. As the mob broke open the outer doors, embassy guards slowly held
them off with shotguns as they retreated from the first floor. Eventually,
negotiations began which ended in the surrender of embassy personnel. This did not
include three men who were shredding confidential documents in a vault on the second
floor. However, embassy personnel opened the vault when the Iranians threatened to
kill one of the hostages. One of the three men was Charles Jones, an
African-American and State Department employee. Soon after the seizure of the
embassy, the Iranians releaed thirteen women and blacks, but not Jones. Jones
afterwards stated that he felt he was not released because the Iranians were angry at him
for his role in the shredding.
Koernke's second anecdote involved more recent events. It was revealed in the
spring of 1994 that counterfeit U.S. one hundred dollar bills were coming out of Iran and
Lebanon. It is these counterfeits to which Koernke refers. It is true that the
Iranians were making the bills on a printing press made in the United States for the
Bureau of Engraving and Printing. However, this had nothing to do with the taking of
the American embassy or Charles Jones. Rather, back in the 1970s the U.S. government
gave the Shah of Iran's government such a printing press to print the Iranian rial.
It also sent over experts to teach the Iranians how to use the equipment. Iranian
chemists were also invited to the U.S. to learn ink production. It was this
press which fell into the hands of the Iranian revolutionaries when they seized power from
the Shah. The Iranians apparently began producing the high-quality counterfeits
around 1990. Most of the bills were sent to Middle Eastern countries as well as the
former Central Asian republics of the Soviet Union, which were in dire need of hard
|Koernke: No, weve got it from a DOD printout, although if
they decided to alter it, thats at their discretion. Its called Agile Provider
94. Okay, heres the original, okay, we'll put it on the, do we want to neutralize
some of the numbers on here? Okay, this was generated 13 April 1994, ACC 94-59, AC units
participate in joint training exercise. This particular documented is generated from
Langley Air Force Base, Virginia. Langley?
Koernke, reading: "Members from 11 Air combat command wings will join about
40,000 soldiers, sailors and marines for a 20 day joint forces exercise dubbed Agile
Provider 94. The exercise, sponsored by US Atlantic Command runs from April 22 to May 11.
In addition to US forces, units from France and the Netherlands will participate."
Exercise sites include locations in North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida, Georgia,
Arkansas, thats off the wall objectives, and Virginia. Why Arkansas? Think about
that. "Agile Provider improves joint operations in command and control, forcible
entry and air ground and maritime special operations. Now specifically identified was
forcible entry operations. The exercise scenario is airborne and amphibious forces
evacuate us and United Nations humanitarian aid workers from a hostile foreign nation
while helping a friendly country in the same region restore stability" in the United
States, oops, Im sorry, Ill correct that, stability of its borders.
Thats page one. Was there more? I think there was. Okay, the second
according to USACOM officials, ACC units participating include (very long
list of units follows, deleted here).
Person: According to Cooper, this is disinformation, whether it means anything
Koernke: I heard that, we were suspecting somebody would broadcast something
like that to counter it. The important thing is this, any time we have a message that can
be sent out, we can verify it ourselves and we dont have to rely on a central
source. Once we have a warning to this, we can identify the specific units and identify
whether or not theyre active. With regards to the units, Ive got a piece in my
briefcase, the Dutch have already been operating in Florida for quite some time, and
weve got an article that was put in one of the local papers about Dutch practicing
house to house search and seizure and it was photographed, so there are a number of
activities there. Umm, weve got to have everybody, this is another thing, just to
see what kind of PR pieces they generate, everybody needs to watch their local papers.
Strangely enough, while the big papers are just basically the same old song and dance, dog
and pony show, the little papers have been picking up a lot of the AP articles that are
special, that have been generated, that are fillers that have more data in them than most
regular news articles would have. I pulled a piece out of the Dutch, that we picked up a
month and a half ago, Ill have the briefcase here in a second, okay, anybody else,
Person: Along with that, Russia, Canada, and the United States are doing joint
theyre doing them in Alaska.
Person: I heard over the radio that there's Americans in Russia right now,
training exercise over there.
Person: They're doing joint air rescue missions in Alaska, and they were
bragging in the article that it was the first time the Russian flag was flown on US soil.
And other one that I pulled off there was a Kurd elder from a village who was an
eyewitness to the attack on the helicopters, they also had video film of it, of course
they turned it over to the authorities, okay, video film of it, he said the F-15s circled
the helicopters three times before they fired, then circled them once after they fired.
Now Im no dummy, if they circled those helicopters three times before they
Koernke: Theres no doubt what they were.
Person: They knew what the hell they were, youre darn right.
Koernke: Thats right.
Person: Mark has the list of casualties I gave him.
|What Koernke is slyly discussing "neutralizing"
is a standard press release. Exercise Agile Provider 94 was a joint military
exercise held by the United States and several other countries from April 22 1994 to May
11 1994 in six southeastern states. U.S. Marines and Special Forces, along with air
support, amphibious vessels and even a submarine, conducted major amphibious exercises in
the Caribbean. The combined forces numbered some 44,000 personnel. At the time
there was some discussion that Agile Provider was a "test run" for a possible
military intervention in Haiti, as the United States was at that time putting heavy
pressure on Haiti's military leaders to step down and allow the return of the
democratically-elected president, Jean-Bertrand Aristide.
The reference to "Cooper" may be a reference to William Cooper, a militia
figure, shortwave broadcaster and UFO afficionado from Arizona.
The Alaska exercises referred to were joint "aerospace rescue" exercises
held by Russia, the United States and Canada from March 20-25 1994 at a U.S. military base
in Alaska. About 55 Russian paratroopers, pilots and doctors took part, along with
numerous American and Canadian personnel. The exercises were designed to help form
the basis of an international rescue service for the Arctic.
|Koernke: We got the printout of that, an interesting thing, when I
said before they were shot down and we were all sitting here, number one, thered be
Kurds on board, and some other foreign nationals, what it looks like to me, any time you
hear of an operation like this, somebody had knowledge that they werent supposed to
have. In that group, it was all compartmentalized. There were six Kurds on board. I want
to correct everybody, when you think the Kurds are a bunch of Bedouins with rags on their
heads. The Kurds are some of the best technical advisors that Iraq has; many of them have
been college trained. They have two full Kurdish divisions in the North that are not
against Sadddam but are in favor of Saddam. They are the equivalent of the Republican
Guard with regard to armaments. Almost everything they have is state of the art. When the
war was over in Iraq, they completely retrofitted these two units and theyve got now
state of the art that Russias been sending in since. Now theyve got the T-80
and the T-72. Theyve received a massive amount of air defense equipment, in fact,
some of it was already videotaped, and C-Span did a little blurb on it, talking about the
Kurds that nobody knew about. The Kurds are also directly involved in a lot of the
technical operations such as their nuclear field. Now think about it. One of the reasons
they had to stop American forces from going into Iraq is because you had 400,000 plus
Americans who could read English well. American soldiers, like World War II, walk in and
eat your lunch. They carry away the kitchen sink; they carried away Hitlers
silverware at the end of the war. If it wasnt nailed down, it was walked away with.
Imagine 400,000 reading, intelligent Americans walking in and finding all the
documentation that showed where the technology came from before the war started. It was
all in English. Thats why the United Nations sent most of those quote unquote
advisors in to find out all about Saddams nuclear capability. They werent
looking to find anything they didnt know. They were sent in to get all the data out
so nobody else could find it. They were what we call spooks and kooks. Their job was to go
in, acquire and destroy. Notice you see very little printed from their nuclear field
batteries. Theres very little printed from any of their research sites and
theres nothing in any technical journals about what Saddam Hussein actually has. Why
not? After all, the technology he was using is not state of the art. It was older
generation technology that was offered at a bargain basement price. Uh oh. Well, what
probably happened is you had six Kurds who may have had a very good idea of exactly what
was happening inside Iraq. They probably even thought they were doing somebody a favor and
walked out with something that nobody else had. And I can just hear the conversation,
theyre like, "Ok, Colonel, you got those guys?" "Oh yeah, oh yeah,
sir, we got all of them, we got everybody." I mean, theyd be more confident
than that, but, "Yeah, okay, colonel, do they have all the papers?" "Oh
yes, sir, theyve got all the papers." "Okay, you just load them up and
well take care of everything. Well see you in about an hour and a half,
Person: Mark, they hadnt, the helicopters hadnt been
on the ground thirty minutes, and the rescue teams or whatever the hell you want to call
them, were already
Koernke: Already on the site. The other thing, here, too, that theres been
argument that they may, the videotape would have told us, theres a question as to
whether or not they were flying Blackhawks or they were flying Hinds. It makes no
difference. That debate is irrelevant. The reason I say that, you have an AWACs command
and control facility nearby. With AWACs in the air, its not like an old headset
where you monitor one frequency, you monitor thousands of frequencies at one time. So what
was happening here, even if it was a Hind-D, that was, say, a covert warfare weapon,
anything that was being done in the northern Iraqi theater was automatically monitored by
the AWACs and the AWACs could transfer any data to any other aircraft in the air. There
was no way they could conceivably have any type of error or accident with regard to this.
Because if the pilots in the two aircraft that were shot down were talking to anybody,
even if they were talking to each other, they werent talking in Sephardim, they
werent talking in Zen-sunni or something, they were speaking in English. And even if
they were one or the other, youve got linguists on board whose job it is, they get
paid very good money, they earn their highest ratings, and their job is to monitor all of
the different languages that are there at the
So they wouldnt be stupid,
theyre not idiots.
Person: There isnt one person down at the shop, even the non-patriots,
that are buying this.
Koernke: The problem is, its not even, of course we dont really want
to see us kill friendlies from the other side, but the problem is not the six Kurds that
they killed and I could give a shit less about the six United Nations personnel, but the
fact of the matter is, the puppies are finding out that nobodys special. If those
were special warfare people, they all found out, that even when they were all safe on the
helicopter, it was time to have little black dog for lunch.
Person: Well, one of them, one of them that went down, was one of the most
decorated Green Berets in the army, spoke eleven languages, and had been a Green Beret
Person: An ambush.
Koernke: He knew too much. Well, rule number one, theres a first rule
everybody should understand. It's not an act of war; in wartime, all people are expendable
in theory with regard to command and control or command concern, but in this case, most
everybody who's into the inner circle of special warfare right now knows what the New
World Order is all about. But everyone of them has been talked into the thought that
theyre the special people, that nobody will touch, once they win, these will be the
golden puppies. In reality, if the other side wins, these people cant be kept around
because historically, any time that an action like this has taken place, when theyve
betrayed a nation, the next people into the hole past the patriots are all the secret
police and military who assisted in whatever treason thats taken place. They have to
get rid of them next because they know where the bodies are buried. Case in point is
Russia, or example, my favorite one is when they got rid of the Tsar. When they executed
the Tsar, the first group came in and shot the Tsar. Well, then they sent a bunch of good
communists in to kill all the bad communists. They didnt tell them why they were
shooting them. When they got done with that group, they sent a third group in from the
Georgian SSR and they told them that the ones they were going to shoot were bad communists
also. So three different firing squads shot three different groups of people and nobody by
the time they were done had any good understanding of who they were shooting and why they
were killing them. But they were told that they were bad communists. And they ate their
young. Thats the first rule in this whole operation. They eat their young.
Theres not a single person on their side that they consider valuable because we're
only five percent of the worlds population. I can hire five Bolivians for the cost
of any one American right now. And if you have a global mentality, Americans to the
internationalists are no more valuable than a cat, a dog, a rat, or a little boy. Remember
that same phrase we heard just a little while back? Were all the same. In fact,
were actually more expendable, therefore we're not cost efficient, therefore we're
not the ones they really want to keep around. Youve got compartmentalized
individuals that are specialists in virtually all parts of the planet, theres no
reason to keep us around any more. Were a failed experiment because were too
efficient. We actually are generalists, because most of us can hold any job and do what
needs to be done. Thats very dangerous if youre trying to control the
Person: And if they dont have enough exercises going on, now, I just this
morning read theyve got another joint exercise going on, predominately NATO
countries, in the Med, in the area of Italy. Its, you know, theyve got all
that stuff going on in Bosnia and theyre having exercises? It doesnt even make
Koernke: Hold on, Anybody who is here, remember, we put money together for the
vests. Well get hold of Charlie either this weekend on Sunday or well find out
next weekend, because he said it was the end of the month, the person will have the rest
of the Kevlar. Next meeting, by the way, wait a minute, I need my calendar. Okay, one of
the things, for anybody who wants to go, 'cause we're gonna have a break and were
also gonna split up here, tomorrow, map reading course, 2:00, okay, 2:00 pm, location?
|The discussion here centers around the then-recent
tragedy in which American F-15Cs shot down two U.S. Army Blackhawk helicopters flying over
northern Iraq in April 1994. The helicopters contained 26 U.S. and allied military
personnel, including 15 American soldiers. The men had been in Turkey and were
flying to the town of Salahaddin in Iraq to meet with Kurdish leaders. Air Force
pilots mistook their helicopters for Iraqi Soviet-built Hind helicopters and shot them
down in the no-fly zone in northern Iraq. This mission was part of Operation Provide
Comfort, which was a mission to provide food, clothing and shelter to Kurdish refugees
returning to northern Iraq after the failed uprising there.
referred to by Koernke is probably Colonel Jerald L. Thompson, who had been Commander of
the Security Assistance Training Management Organization at Fort Bragg, North Carolina.
|Koernke: In Adrian
generated an excellent document, that if
you dont have it you had better have it, what they did is, they went back to the
original session, we knew there was some funky things about the GCA 68, the Gun Control
Act of 1968, is word for a word a duplicate of Nazi Germanys 1931, 1933 and 1938 gun
laws. Now it's important because the only thing that they did, they didnt even
change the italics, in fact, what they did was a survey, they went to the senators
involved, they tracked down who it was that got a copy of it in German, and in fact, I
think it's right there.
Person: The Library of Congress, right there.
Koernke: Okay, the Library of Congress records, Thomas Dodd, the individual who
was involved, Library of Congress, Washington DC, July 12, 1968, federal firearms
legislation. Now this is the letter that went back from Lewis C. Coffin.
Im going to read this anyway:
"Dear Senator Dodd, your request on July 2, 1968, addressed to the Legislative
Reference Service for the translation of several German laws has been referred to the Law
Library for attention. In compliance with your request and with reference to several
telephone conversations between Miss Frank of your office and Mr. Fred Karpf, European Law
Division, we are enclosing herewith a translation of the Law on Weapons of March 18, 1938,
prepared by Dr. William Solyom-Fekete of that Division as well as the Xerox copy of the
original German text which you supplied. The translation of the decree implementing the
Law on Weapons of March 19, 1938 and the pertinent provisions of the Federal Hunting Law
of March 30, 1961, is in preparation and will be sent to you as soon as completed.
Sincerely yours, Lewis C. Coffin, Law Librarian."
Again, this is for the Library of Congress, Washington DC, July 12, 1968. The law
theyre referring to of 1938 is Nazi Germanys final gun confiscation law in
which they went house to house for search and seizures and in fact was used effectively
and is now actually American law, virtually word for word. This is very important to
remember. Only the names have been changed to protect the guilty, certainly not the
Yeah, weve gotta get out of here, okay, ladies and gentlemen..
Person: Thursday night youre going to be in LaPierre (?).
Koernke: Thursday night we're in LaPierre at
Person: When is the next meeting.
Koernke: Next meeting. Friday or Saturday?
Person: Got to be Friday.
Koernke: Got to be the Friday, okay, one more Friday, were going to change
over again. Okay, last but not least because were going to close it out:
All: God bless the republic, death to the New World Order, we shall prevail.
|This is not the first time that Koernke has made the
allegation that the Gun Control Act of 1968 came from Nazi Germany. In his 1993
video America in Peril he made the assertion that it "was taken from Nazi
Germany's control laws of 1938, word for word."
The "source" for
this outrageous statement is a small extremist group called the Jews for the Preservation
of Firearms Ownership (JPFO). This radical pro-gun group, which ironically consists
mostly of non-Jews, shrilly makes the (unsupportable) claim that the Holocaust was caused
by gun control.
The JPFO's case was printed in a 135-page booklet published in 1992 titled
"Gun Control: Gateway to Tyranny." This booklet consists largely of copies
of regulations regarding firearms from the Weimar Republic and Nazi Germany. Two
chapters compare Germany's March 1938 weapons laws to the Gun Control Act of 1968.
The "word for word" parity seems to have been aided by generous
translation. In reality, both sections simply had some provisions on similar
topics, such as firearms registration. Virtually any piece of firearms legislation
would be looking at the same general subjects, and so could have equal claim to have been
"based on" the "Nazi" law.
Here are some of the provisions which were allegedly "based on" the Nazi
law: felons could not own firearms; firearms dealers had to record purchases and
sales; firearms for sporting purposes were defined, etc. In other words, the JPFO is
trying retroactively to "Nazify" some of the most basic and reasonable aspects
of firearms regulations.
Koernke also again raises fears of gun confiscation, calling the 1938 law
"Nazi Germany's final gun confiscation law in which they went house to house for
search and seizures." Actually, this appears never to have happened. And
there are no provisions in the 1968 law for gun confiscation and house to house search and
Ironically, the JPFO booklet irritated some of their fellow travellers on the
extreme right: the Neo-Nazis. Neo-Nazi groups did not want Adolph Hitler to be
tarnished with the stain of gun control. National Alliance leader William Pierce
thus published a detailed rebuttal to the JPFO argument, comparing the Nazi weapons law of
1938 with its Weimar predecessors and concluding that in fact the Nazis loosened previous
restrictions on gun ownership.